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> I have some friend who have been working at a company who went remote-first and after 5 years they do not feel identified with the company anymore. It's just

> I have some friend who have been working at a company who went remote-first and after 5 years they do not feel identified with the company anymore. It's just a job. You could work for someone else and you wouldn't even notice. I think feeling “identified with your company” is kind of pathological. If remote work gets more people to realise it’s just a job, it’s not their company, and they shouldn’t work themselves to death over it, good.

C1sc0cat 6y ago
There no reason that you cant have a heathy view of the working relationship and identify with they company or in fact your team. In fact its more the problem in forming a team than the company
ipnon 6y ago
This is a feature of remote work, not a bug. I cringe to put on the company themed shirt I am required to wear at the office on special occasions. The esprit de corps at my company is used to justify unpaid overtime and working on weekends. I would rather first identify with something else, like my family or local community.
- Cookingboy 6y ago
  It just sounds like you have a bad job, and yes, in that case it is a feature, not a bug. Because any system that lets you stay far away from a bad job is good. But there plenty of people who actually love the place they work and the people they work with and do it with healthy work/life balance without the stupid company shirts. Hard to imagine for you, just like it's hard to me to imagine caring about my local community.
bitcoinofficial 6y ago
I may be wrong, but I think what was meant is a feeling of belonging to a community and a feeling of togetherness.
- silveroriole 6y ago
  A company isn’t a community. You don’t belong to it and the togetherness only lasts as long as your boss says it will. Ultimately it’s in the company‘s best interest to try and get more value out of you than they pay you for, if they think they can do that by fostering a feeling of togetherness then they will, but it’s not, you know... real. e: and the parent of this chain is a CEO. Three guesses as to why he finds it a negative that an employee doesn’t really care who they work for.
schwartzworld 6y ago
"Identified with the company" may be a poor choice of words, but I'd rather spend my time working for a company whose culture and goals align with my own, rather than feel like I'm doing tasks mechanical-turk style.
Cookingboy 6y ago
A full time job is something you spend 40 hours a week at and your coworkers are human beings you spend a lot of time working together and very often you share similar goals. You don't have to drink the Koolaid and all that, but if you can feel a sense of team and belonging from your job there is only positive effects, provided that you don't confuse that with blind loyalty. At one point I've had 5 jobs in 7 years. But I still thoroughly enjoyed my time at those 5 companies and I made friends from all of them, many of whom I talk to until today. You would call me "pathological" but honestly I would absolutely hate to work anywhere with a bunch of people like you. Just like a job isn't your whole life, but people also shouldn't be so vehemently against actually liking their job and their coworkers.

C1sc0cat 6y ago

There no reason that you cant have a heathy view of the working relationship and identify with they company or in fact your team. In fact its more the problem in forming a team than the company

ipnon 6y ago

This is a feature of remote work, not a bug. I cringe to put on the company themed shirt I am required to wear at the office on special occasions. The esprit de corps at my company is used to justify unpaid overtime and working on weekends. I would rather first identify with something else, like my family or local community.

Cookingboy 6y ago
It just sounds like you have a bad job, and yes, in that case it is a feature, not a bug. Because any system that lets you stay far away from a bad job is good. But there plenty of people who actually love the place they work and the people they work with and do it with healthy work/life balance without the stupid company shirts. Hard to imagine for you, just like it's hard to me to imagine caring about my local community.

bitcoinofficial 6y ago

I may be wrong, but I think what was meant is a feeling of belonging to a community and a feeling of togetherness.

silveroriole 6y ago
A company isn’t a community. You don’t belong to it and the togetherness only lasts as long as your boss says it will. Ultimately it’s in the company‘s best interest to try and get more value out of you than they pay you for, if they think they can do that by fostering a feeling of togetherness then they will, but it’s not, you know... real. e: and the parent of this chain is a CEO. Three guesses as to why he finds it a negative that an employee doesn’t really care who they work for.

schwartzworld 6y ago

"Identified with the company" may be a poor choice of words, but I'd rather spend my time working for a company whose culture and goals align with my own, rather than feel like I'm doing tasks mechanical-turk style.

Cookingboy 6y ago

A full time job is something you spend 40 hours a week at and your coworkers are human beings you spend a lot of time working together and very often you share similar goals. You don't have to drink the Koolaid and all that, but if you can feel a sense of team and belonging from your job there is only positive effects, provided that you don't confuse that with blind loyalty. At one point I've had 5 jobs in 7 years. But I still thoroughly enjoyed my time at those 5 companies and I made friends from all of them, many of whom I talk to until today. You would call me "pathological" but honestly I would absolutely hate to work anywhere with a bunch of people like you. Just like a job isn't your whole life, but people also shouldn't be so vehemently against actually liking their job and their coworkers.