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I agree with you. How do we get back to a place where political discourse is de-escalated and we're not trying to out-shout each other?

djsumdog 6y ago
Stop watching ABC/NBC/CNN/FOX/NPR and Democracy Now?
- sandworm101 6y ago
  Ya, stick to twitter and facebook!
- anthony_romeo 6y ago
  > Stop watching ABC/NBC/CNN/FOX/NPR and Democracy Now? I'm sorry, are you suggesting that NPR has lots of shouting? Have you ever listened to NPR before?
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    Their bias has been increasing for years. I was turned off by NPR back in 2008 after this terrible Inskeep interview: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/wipedoffthemap/ https://battlepenguin.com/politics/wipedoffthemap/ I still listened to NPR for years after, but I listened to a lot of out news sources and always balanced the information I was getting with the bias I knew they held. NPR is a lot like RT, in the sense that it is sponsored by the State. Although you might say, "Well NPR is federal grants for non-profits and RT is state propaganda" just lines start to get blurry when you realize both have leadership that have certain agendas. I guess I shouldn't have said "Stop watching" and instead say "Be sure to watch ALL of these" and then add that you should watch independent analysis (Viva Frei, James Corbett, No Agenda podcast) of all these sources, weigh their biases and come to your own conclusions.
    - anthony_romeo 6y ago
      Good luck finding unbiased news outlets. My main criticism of Fox, CNN, and frankly the vast vast majority of all news outlets (including smaller news outlets and your so-called "independent" analysts) do not present the "other side's" arguments fairly. NPR is one of the least "unfair" major US news outlets (i.e. in reports about controversial issues, you're at least exposed to adequate and coherent arguments from both sides of these issues) despite the creeping bias you allege, so I was taken aback when you lumped them in with the other blatant rage-pornography outlets on the Internet, television, and radio. Also, in my RSS feeds, Russia Today has hard-hitting unbiased journalism such as "Alyssa Milano roasted after complaining that Joe Rogan's podcast has more listeners than hers does" and "Liberals leap to politicize Herman Cain’s Covid-19 death because he ‘didn’t wear a mask'". Go on NPR's website right now and try to find something similar from today.
      - Simulacra 6y ago
        May I suggest the Wall Street Journal? It seems to have the least amount of reporters inserting their personal beliefs into news articles.
- save_ferris 6y ago
  how is this a realistic solution if you're not able to persuade everyone to stop following these outlets? Look, I get that the media is driven by interests that aren't always aligned with the public good, which can create an atmosphere of distrust. But simply discouraging people from consuming media is like telling people to just stop eating sugar. We have an inherent desire to be informed about our leadership, but asking people to stop watching isn't going to stop people who are already convinced that their side/station/party is right and everyone else is wrong. If everyone got your message to stop watching those networks, what would really change? I don't think anything would.
  - Simulacra 6y ago
    But what is it we are really being asked to stop watching? The same organizations that winked at each other on election night because they were "with her" and in doing so were saving democracy from someone they saw as a tyrant. The media has an agenda, and likely a bias, so to stop watching is to stop being manipulated.

djsumdog 6y ago

Stop watching ABC/NBC/CNN/FOX/NPR and Democracy Now?

sandworm101 6y ago
Ya, stick to twitter and facebook!
anthony_romeo 6y ago
> Stop watching ABC/NBC/CNN/FOX/NPR and Democracy Now? I'm sorry, are you suggesting that NPR has lots of shouting? Have you ever listened to NPR before?
- djsumdog 6y ago
  Their bias has been increasing for years. I was turned off by NPR back in 2008 after this terrible Inskeep interview: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/wipedoffthemap/ https://battlepenguin.com/politics/wipedoffthemap/ I still listened to NPR for years after, but I listened to a lot of out news sources and always balanced the information I was getting with the bias I knew they held. NPR is a lot like RT, in the sense that it is sponsored by the State. Although you might say, "Well NPR is federal grants for non-profits and RT is state propaganda" just lines start to get blurry when you realize both have leadership that have certain agendas. I guess I shouldn't have said "Stop watching" and instead say "Be sure to watch ALL of these" and then add that you should watch independent analysis (Viva Frei, James Corbett, No Agenda podcast) of all these sources, weigh their biases and come to your own conclusions.
  - anthony_romeo 6y ago
    Good luck finding unbiased news outlets. My main criticism of Fox, CNN, and frankly the vast vast majority of all news outlets (including smaller news outlets and your so-called "independent" analysts) do not present the "other side's" arguments fairly. NPR is one of the least "unfair" major US news outlets (i.e. in reports about controversial issues, you're at least exposed to adequate and coherent arguments from both sides of these issues) despite the creeping bias you allege, so I was taken aback when you lumped them in with the other blatant rage-pornography outlets on the Internet, television, and radio. Also, in my RSS feeds, Russia Today has hard-hitting unbiased journalism such as "Alyssa Milano roasted after complaining that Joe Rogan's podcast has more listeners than hers does" and "Liberals leap to politicize Herman Cain’s Covid-19 death because he ‘didn’t wear a mask'". Go on NPR's website right now and try to find something similar from today.
    - Simulacra 6y ago
      May I suggest the Wall Street Journal? It seems to have the least amount of reporters inserting their personal beliefs into news articles.
save_ferris 6y ago
how is this a realistic solution if you're not able to persuade everyone to stop following these outlets? Look, I get that the media is driven by interests that aren't always aligned with the public good, which can create an atmosphere of distrust. But simply discouraging people from consuming media is like telling people to just stop eating sugar. We have an inherent desire to be informed about our leadership, but asking people to stop watching isn't going to stop people who are already convinced that their side/station/party is right and everyone else is wrong. If everyone got your message to stop watching those networks, what would really change? I don't think anything would.
- Simulacra 6y ago
  But what is it we are really being asked to stop watching? The same organizations that winked at each other on election night because they were "with her" and in doing so were saving democracy from someone they saw as a tyrant. The media has an agenda, and likely a bias, so to stop watching is to stop being manipulated.