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Registration/Login required(I'll take the installation over that in many cases) No properly working (or even implemented) keyboard shortcuts; I just tried, Goo

Registration/Login required(I'll take the installation over that in many cases) No properly working (or even implemented) keyboard shortcuts; I just tried, Google Sheets tells me to use Ctrl+C etc. but it doesn't do anything, and what's even worse is that the menu item for "insert" doesn't do anything either because Google wants to force me to use the dysfunctional keybinding...thanks I guess Usually no right click + context menu Input lag No offline use possible(remember all the MS/Cloudflare/AWS etc. outages?) Less control over data, privacy issues

TomMarius 6y ago
It's an open source tool that you can self host, having none of the problems, or add to your application and when you're doing that, all of what you said already applies. But yeah, I get why you prefer native programs - I do as well. But the web ones have their place too. Btw context menu is in google sheets for a long time - I wanted to say a decade, but it might be a little less.
cjblomqvist 6y ago
I understand the sentiment, but some of your points are simply not true. Ctrl+C works fine last time I tested GDocs (inc sheets). It also have offline support, and supports right clicking? Input lag is very dependant on the actual application and how it's made AFAIK, albeit it might be more difficult to do it right using web tech. That leaves two arguments (basically privacy arguments). That is not it related to web tech. For example, Adobe CC more or less requires the same login and authentication requirements as other web applications. Some web applications does not require login (pixlr for example). Many desktop applications phone home as well and gather even more information about you and your computer. Web tech is not the problem in itself - it's how it's used and deployed that can be a problem (like the ads/data "freemium" business model some use BFF which a _few_ users dislike). I thought we were better than arguing with false arguments and pointing fingers at the wrong problem - well, I guess "hoped" (in a naive sense) is actually more accurate...
- alpaca128 6y ago
  > Ctrl+C works fine last time I tested GDocs Well, it didn't work when I wrote my comment, sorry that it seems to be inconsistent on my setup. Regardless it is still very questionable of Google to make the "insert" menu item do absolutely nothing but show a popup dialogue telling you to use Ctrl-V. It is annoying and comes across as a bit condescending, like some engineer at Google wanted to teach the noobs how it's done properly. > It also have offline support, and supports right clicking? I was talking about web apps in general, not just Google. Many web apps don't have any context menu or shortcuts, you have to move the mouse back and forth all the time for the simplest steps. And what's even worse is that many JS-loaded websites mess with the UI so much that you can't open links in new tabs anymore. I don't even want to know how that can be done unintentionally. > Adobe CC more or less requires the same login and authentication requirements as other web applications. You are right there, maybe I conflated the web app trend with the rising amount of user-unfriendly software design.
  - iudqnolq 6y ago
    The insert menu tells you to use the shortcut because browser restrictions make accessing/modifying the clipboard without doing so difficult.
- asah 6y ago
  To be fair, Google apps are extreme outliers in SaaS, especially offline support.
boring_twenties 6y ago
> use Ctrl+C etc. but it doesn't do anything Did you set clipboard events to false in about:config? Probably. After all, if you don't set that, lots of sites will do stupid things like prevent you from copying, or pasting into certain fields. But it will break things like Google Sheets.

TomMarius 6y ago

It's an open source tool that you can self host, having none of the problems, or add to your application and when you're doing that, all of what you said already applies. But yeah, I get why you prefer native programs - I do as well. But the web ones have their place too. Btw context menu is in google sheets for a long time - I wanted to say a decade, but it might be a little less.

cjblomqvist 6y ago

I understand the sentiment, but some of your points are simply not true. Ctrl+C works fine last time I tested GDocs (inc sheets). It also have offline support, and supports right clicking? Input lag is very dependant on the actual application and how it's made AFAIK, albeit it might be more difficult to do it right using web tech. That leaves two arguments (basically privacy arguments). That is not it related to web tech. For example, Adobe CC more or less requires the same login and authentication requirements as other web applications. Some web applications does not require login (pixlr for example). Many desktop applications phone home as well and gather even more information about you and your computer. Web tech is not the problem in itself - it's how it's used and deployed that can be a problem (like the ads/data "freemium" business model some use BFF which a _few_ users dislike). I thought we were better than arguing with false arguments and pointing fingers at the wrong problem - well, I guess "hoped" (in a naive sense) is actually more accurate...

alpaca128 6y ago
> Ctrl+C works fine last time I tested GDocs Well, it didn't work when I wrote my comment, sorry that it seems to be inconsistent on my setup. Regardless it is still very questionable of Google to make the "insert" menu item do absolutely nothing but show a popup dialogue telling you to use Ctrl-V. It is annoying and comes across as a bit condescending, like some engineer at Google wanted to teach the noobs how it's done properly. > It also have offline support, and supports right clicking? I was talking about web apps in general, not just Google. Many web apps don't have any context menu or shortcuts, you have to move the mouse back and forth all the time for the simplest steps. And what's even worse is that many JS-loaded websites mess with the UI so much that you can't open links in new tabs anymore. I don't even want to know how that can be done unintentionally. > Adobe CC more or less requires the same login and authentication requirements as other web applications. You are right there, maybe I conflated the web app trend with the rising amount of user-unfriendly software design.
- iudqnolq 6y ago
  The insert menu tells you to use the shortcut because browser restrictions make accessing/modifying the clipboard without doing so difficult.
asah 6y ago
To be fair, Google apps are extreme outliers in SaaS, especially offline support.

boring_twenties 6y ago

> use Ctrl+C etc. but it doesn't do anything Did you set clipboard events to false in about:config? Probably. After all, if you don't set that, lots of sites will do stupid things like prevent you from copying, or pasting into certain fields. But it will break things like Google Sheets.