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I like that the original tweeter is the one loudly yelling that he was wrong. Too often, people are too proud and ashamed of being wrong to do that. So kudos t

by mabbo 6y ago

I like that the original tweeter is the one loudly yelling that he was wrong. Too often, people are too proud and ashamed of being wrong to do that. So kudos to that guy for doing the right thing.

mac01021 6y ago
Well it's definitely in your interest to retract rather than to be called out publicly be another person.
- mabbo 6y ago
  You would think that, but have you ever seen a politician before? (I careful avoid naming any one in particular, lest this get political)
- owenmarshall 6y ago
  The history of, well... everything, seems to refute this: very little harm seems to come from digging in your heels even if you are factually wrong. Most of the time you can lie, distract, and slander your way out of any sticky situation. The same biases that got everyone believing the original lie will take over and your support will be deepened.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    And if anyone doesn't believe this, there is currently an elected official in the highest position of government of a major nation for whom this is modus operandi.
ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
I agree. As it turns out, there is a decade-old issue. Apple has a stipulation in their contract that allows them to do it, but they don't actually do it. He misinterpreted some kind of interaction.
- joshstrange 6y ago
  I think comments like this are equally as harmful as spreading fake news. The history revisionists/apologists. Here is the tweet: https://web.archive.org/web/20200729052623/https://twitter.com/twolivesleft/status/1288344977169235968 https://web.archive.org/web/20200729052623/https://twitter.c... Text: > And this is minor in the scheme of things, but when a customer refunds your paid app, Apple doesn’t refund the 30% cut they took from you > So you end up owing them money Absolutely none of that tweet is correct. They don't cite the contract /at all/, they say very matter-of-factly "Apple doesn’t refund the 30% cut they took from you" which is 100% false. Edit: a word
  - ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
    > I think comments like this are equally as harmful as spreading fake news. The history revisionists/apologists. Be nice. That was uncalled-for. I'm not a history revisionist, nor am I an apologist. In fact, we may have many areas in which we agree. You immediately, and intentionally, decided to make me an enemy, and I have no clue why. I'll revise the comment a bit. Maybe that will make it clearer. BTW: I took responsibility for writing an unclear comment, and fixed it. THAT is the kind of thing we need to see more of. It absolutely stinks that people think of every forum in the world as some kind of gladiatorial arena.
    - joshstrange 6y ago
      I would respond but you keep editing your comments to say something different so I don't really see the point but here we go. I'll just say this, I think you have a pretty warped view of things if being called out of saying untrue things is the same a making someone your enemy or brings to mind a "gladiatorial arena". I don't hate people or think of them as enemies just because they disagree with me or I disagree with them. If I get called out on bad behavior I reflect and adjust, I don't come out swinging and playing the victim card. I don't think of you as my enemy, I think of you as someone who said something that I find to be a dangerous way of thinking/justifying and I said as much. Intent matters and the "truth" gotten to by invalid means is a problem even if it ends in "truth" (which again, this tweet did not even meet that bar).

by mabbo 6y ago

I like that the original tweeter is the one loudly yelling that he was wrong. Too often, people are too proud and ashamed of being wrong to do that. So kudos to that guy for doing the right thing.

mac01021 6y ago

Well it's definitely in your interest to retract rather than to be called out publicly be another person.

mabbo 6y ago
You would think that, but have you ever seen a politician before? (I careful avoid naming any one in particular, lest this get political)
owenmarshall 6y ago
The history of, well... everything, seems to refute this: very little harm seems to come from digging in your heels even if you are factually wrong. Most of the time you can lie, distract, and slander your way out of any sticky situation. The same biases that got everyone believing the original lie will take over and your support will be deepened.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  And if anyone doesn't believe this, there is currently an elected official in the highest position of government of a major nation for whom this is modus operandi.

ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago

I agree. As it turns out, there is a decade-old issue. Apple has a stipulation in their contract that allows them to do it, but they don't actually do it. He misinterpreted some kind of interaction.

joshstrange 6y ago
I think comments like this are equally as harmful as spreading fake news. The history revisionists/apologists. Here is the tweet: https://web.archive.org/web/20200729052623/https://twitter.com/twolivesleft/status/1288344977169235968 https://web.archive.org/web/20200729052623/https://twitter.c... Text: > And this is minor in the scheme of things, but when a customer refunds your paid app, Apple doesn’t refund the 30% cut they took from you > So you end up owing them money Absolutely none of that tweet is correct. They don't cite the contract /at all/, they say very matter-of-factly "Apple doesn’t refund the 30% cut they took from you" which is 100% false. Edit: a word
- ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
  > I think comments like this are equally as harmful as spreading fake news. The history revisionists/apologists. Be nice. That was uncalled-for. I'm not a history revisionist, nor am I an apologist. In fact, we may have many areas in which we agree. You immediately, and intentionally, decided to make me an enemy, and I have no clue why. I'll revise the comment a bit. Maybe that will make it clearer. BTW: I took responsibility for writing an unclear comment, and fixed it. THAT is the kind of thing we need to see more of. It absolutely stinks that people think of every forum in the world as some kind of gladiatorial arena.
  - joshstrange 6y ago
    I would respond but you keep editing your comments to say something different so I don't really see the point but here we go. I'll just say this, I think you have a pretty warped view of things if being called out of saying untrue things is the same a making someone your enemy or brings to mind a "gladiatorial arena". I don't hate people or think of them as enemies just because they disagree with me or I disagree with them. If I get called out on bad behavior I reflect and adjust, I don't come out swinging and playing the victim card. I don't think of you as my enemy, I think of you as someone who said something that I find to be a dangerous way of thinking/justifying and I said as much. Intent matters and the "truth" gotten to by invalid means is a problem even if it ends in "truth" (which again, this tweet did not even meet that bar).