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But isn't this kinda obvious? Current WH administration is dead set to stop mailin voting. They've found a way to make that happen. I think we're all missing

But isn't this kinda obvious? Current WH administration is dead set to stop mailin voting. They've found a way to make that happen. I think we're all missing the obvious here.

ars 6y ago
I've seen this conspiracy theory many times, but no one has yet explained how a day or two delay will stop mailin voting. People also somehow think that the post office won't be able to deliver so much mail. Which also doesn't make sense, it's a single envelope per house, they deliver more junk mail than that. Edit: I should add I'm 100% in favor of mailin votes always, not just now. I simply do not believe that this postal slowdown is in any way connected to those who oppose it. And that's for the simple reason that it can't accomplish that.
- Avicebron 6y ago
  From what I understand this is coupled with a delay in counting of mail in votes.
  - Tagbert 6y ago
    And with states having a cutoff period after which the undelivered votes will not be counts. If you can delay a significant number of votes beyond that period, you’ve managed to block someone’s votes.
    - Avicebron 6y ago
      Especially pernicious is that many vulnerable people who previously would be unable to vote (no car, no real social contact, etc) now theoretically would be able to vote, which could be cut off.
- rhcom2 6y ago
  https://fortune.com/2020/07/24/usps-mail-delivery-postmaster-general-louis-dejoy-us-postal-service/?mc_cid=41c4bd09f7&mc_eid=9f88eec838 https://fortune.com/2020/07/24/usps-mail-delivery-postmaster...
- ianleeclark 6y ago
  There's no conspiracy theory. It's historical record the lengths this country has gone to disenfranchise votes: 3/5ths personhood, poll taxes, literacy tests, multiple hour-long queues, shuttering most poll stations for large populations, warehouses left full of voting machines, and, seriously, just go look at Dan Crenshaw's district. You don't have to "stop mailin voting," you just have to make it unreliable and burdensome. There's no conspiracy here, it's out in the public for all to see.
  - andor 6y ago
    For comparison, it takes me about 15 minutes to go voting in Germany. That includes walking to the polling station, someone checking my id and me checking a few boxes on a paper ballot. There is usually no queue and we don't have voting machines because they can be easily manipulated, as has been demonstrated a number of times. Elections are held on Sundays, when most shops are closed, so that everyone can participate.
    - adingus 6y ago
      This is my experience in the US, other than elections not being held on Sunday.
    - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
      In the US, elections are held by the states, not the national government. So it is up to the states where and how many polling stations there are. Depending on the party in charge at the state level, this has been used to make it more difficult for certain sectors of the population to vote.
      - ars 6y ago
        > this has been used to make it more difficult for certain sectors of the population to vote. Yes, it has happened. But based on the Media usually only finding a story or two with that, it's very rare, and not the normal experience. i.e. if it was more prevalent there would be more articles, but usually I only notice 1 or 2 in an election cycle.
djaque 6y ago
I am really concerned about November with the current administration pushing a narrative of voter fraud. Now they've appointed a partisan postmaster general which I haven't heard of being done before.
- stepstop 6y ago
  There’s a long history of postmaster corruption
rhcom2 6y ago
It's not just mail in voting, their goal is to destroy the post office so the only option is privatization.
- charwalker 6y ago
  conservatives like running on the idea that government is broken or needs to be parted out. Then they get elected and make it so via budget cuts and hiring freezes while pumping more money into Defense.

But isn't this kinda obvious? Current WH administration is dead set to stop mailin voting. They've found a way to make that happen. I think we're all missing the obvious here.

ars 6y ago

I've seen this conspiracy theory many times, but no one has yet explained how a day or two delay will stop mailin voting. People also somehow think that the post office won't be able to deliver so much mail. Which also doesn't make sense, it's a single envelope per house, they deliver more junk mail than that. Edit: I should add I'm 100% in favor of mailin votes always, not just now. I simply do not believe that this postal slowdown is in any way connected to those who oppose it. And that's for the simple reason that it can't accomplish that.

Avicebron 6y ago
From what I understand this is coupled with a delay in counting of mail in votes.
- Tagbert 6y ago
  And with states having a cutoff period after which the undelivered votes will not be counts. If you can delay a significant number of votes beyond that period, you’ve managed to block someone’s votes.
  - Avicebron 6y ago
    Especially pernicious is that many vulnerable people who previously would be unable to vote (no car, no real social contact, etc) now theoretically would be able to vote, which could be cut off.
rhcom2 6y ago
https://fortune.com/2020/07/24/usps-mail-delivery-postmaster-general-louis-dejoy-us-postal-service/?mc_cid=41c4bd09f7&mc_eid=9f88eec838 https://fortune.com/2020/07/24/usps-mail-delivery-postmaster...
ianleeclark 6y ago
There's no conspiracy theory. It's historical record the lengths this country has gone to disenfranchise votes: 3/5ths personhood, poll taxes, literacy tests, multiple hour-long queues, shuttering most poll stations for large populations, warehouses left full of voting machines, and, seriously, just go look at Dan Crenshaw's district. You don't have to "stop mailin voting," you just have to make it unreliable and burdensome. There's no conspiracy here, it's out in the public for all to see.
- andor 6y ago
  For comparison, it takes me about 15 minutes to go voting in Germany. That includes walking to the polling station, someone checking my id and me checking a few boxes on a paper ballot. There is usually no queue and we don't have voting machines because they can be easily manipulated, as has been demonstrated a number of times. Elections are held on Sundays, when most shops are closed, so that everyone can participate.
  - adingus 6y ago
    This is my experience in the US, other than elections not being held on Sunday.
  - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
    In the US, elections are held by the states, not the national government. So it is up to the states where and how many polling stations there are. Depending on the party in charge at the state level, this has been used to make it more difficult for certain sectors of the population to vote.
    - ars 6y ago
      > this has been used to make it more difficult for certain sectors of the population to vote. Yes, it has happened. But based on the Media usually only finding a story or two with that, it's very rare, and not the normal experience. i.e. if it was more prevalent there would be more articles, but usually I only notice 1 or 2 in an election cycle.

djaque 6y ago

I am really concerned about November with the current administration pushing a narrative of voter fraud. Now they've appointed a partisan postmaster general which I haven't heard of being done before.

stepstop 6y ago
There’s a long history of postmaster corruption

rhcom2 6y ago

It's not just mail in voting, their goal is to destroy the post office so the only option is privatization.

charwalker 6y ago
conservatives like running on the idea that government is broken or needs to be parted out. Then they get elected and make it so via budget cuts and hiring freezes while pumping more money into Defense.