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I don't see how this is any different from the current group of "unskilled" workers who aren't valued (even if they are "essential"). At least with UBI they ca

I don't see how this is any different from the current group of "unskilled" workers who aren't valued (even if they are "essential"). At least with UBI they can live reasonable lives and create their own meaning, through community or art or activism or religion. Any of which are better outcomes than sacrificing most of their time on bullshit jobs which break their backs and/or their spirits.

nextlevelwizard 6y ago
It is year 2061. I live at the Universal Housing City 14 (or UHC14). Due to rises in housing prices and rent over the years we UBI receivers had to be relocated to these new cities. I was born here as my parents decided to abandon their jobs in favor of pursuing meaning in their lives. Now I can not leave this place. There is no way to earn an income, since everyone here is provided by the UBI and thus no way to pay for education. All of the unskilled labor was automated when UBI laws came to be and first people left factories empty. I am not qualified to do anything in the outside world.
- LordDragonfang 6y ago
  >All of the unskilled labor was automated when UBI laws came to be and first people left factories empty. Now, imagine the world in which that is true and we don't pay people basic income. Millions starving on the streets sounds so much better.
- undersuit 6y ago
  >Due to rises in housing prices and rent over the years we UBI receivers had to be relocated to these new cities. Wouldn't that increase the supply of housing and reduce the price?
  - nextlevelwizard 6y ago
    Yes. That was the point in my little dark fantasy. UBI would increase the current price of rents, which is why government had to build new cities that were 100% subsidized by then (in from of UBI) since just UBI was not enough to pay rent anywhere anymore. i.e. if as a hypothetical landlord I know for a fact that you get $XXX/mo from government "for free" then why wouldn't I ask $XXX/mo in rent?
    - undersuit 6y ago
      I don't know UBI would increase the price of rents, we have more housing than demand. I don't know why the government would have to build new cities nor why they would have to be financed by UBI. I was just pointing out that if they did it would reasonably decrease the price of housing.
- thehappypm 6y ago
  “15 Million Merits” on Black Mirror covered a similar dystopia.

nextlevelwizard 6y ago

It is year 2061. I live at the Universal Housing City 14 (or UHC14). Due to rises in housing prices and rent over the years we UBI receivers had to be relocated to these new cities. I was born here as my parents decided to abandon their jobs in favor of pursuing meaning in their lives. Now I can not leave this place. There is no way to earn an income, since everyone here is provided by the UBI and thus no way to pay for education. All of the unskilled labor was automated when UBI laws came to be and first people left factories empty. I am not qualified to do anything in the outside world.

LordDragonfang 6y ago
>All of the unskilled labor was automated when UBI laws came to be and first people left factories empty. Now, imagine the world in which that is true and we don't pay people basic income. Millions starving on the streets sounds so much better.
undersuit 6y ago
>Due to rises in housing prices and rent over the years we UBI receivers had to be relocated to these new cities. Wouldn't that increase the supply of housing and reduce the price?
- nextlevelwizard 6y ago
  Yes. That was the point in my little dark fantasy. UBI would increase the current price of rents, which is why government had to build new cities that were 100% subsidized by then (in from of UBI) since just UBI was not enough to pay rent anywhere anymore. i.e. if as a hypothetical landlord I know for a fact that you get $XXX/mo from government "for free" then why wouldn't I ask $XXX/mo in rent?
  - undersuit 6y ago
    I don't know UBI would increase the price of rents, we have more housing than demand. I don't know why the government would have to build new cities nor why they would have to be financed by UBI. I was just pointing out that if they did it would reasonably decrease the price of housing.
thehappypm 6y ago
“15 Million Merits” on Black Mirror covered a similar dystopia.