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It's "communism 2.0" if you've never read Marxist/communist texts and take the most superficial, lazy view of what people think communism is. And all of this d
by nkozyra 6y ago
It's "communism 2.0" if you've never read Marxist/communist texts and take the most superficial, lazy view of what people think communism is.
And all of this defiantly ignores the enormous impacts of globalization and automation on the "getting better" metric.
- thomasfromcdnjs 6y agoI read three volumes of Das Kapital if that counts? Random side note: Here is a snippet from a Lincoln speech -> https://pastebin.com/quzZqbiK https://pastebin.com/quzZqbiK
- nkozyra 6y agoAnd you still don't know what Marxism actually entails? Impressive.
- fault_lines 6y agoTo be charitable to the guy, maybe he didn't realize that Capital is actually about capitalism, not communism.
- newen 6y agoNot if you don’t understand it.
- jhardy54 6y agoWhat was your take?
- thomasfromcdnjs 6y agoI actually liked his critiques at the time and I think capitalism should be constantly kept in check through government. (such that they balance each other out) My unsubstantiated opinion would be that Marx probably would of changed his mind at some point about making it some sort of collectivist movement.
- machawinka 6y agoif you really did, then you didn't understand it.
- dragonwriter 6y agoWell, you are labelling a prime example of what Marx calls “bourgeois socialism” as Communism 2.0, so you clearly don't understand Communism. Which you'd really understand better by reading a slim volume on the topic like the Communist Manifesto, and not thick volumes centered on critique of capitalism like Das Kapital, which is more about the problem (on which Communists generally agree with other crítics of capitalism) and not narrowly focussed on the solution (on which they differ.)
- thomasfromcdnjs 6y agoThe manifesto is one of the worst books I've ever read.
- fault_lines 6y agoYou're probably not the target audience, to be honest.
- Polylactic_acid 6y agoThe UBI is also basically the welfare system most countries have without the expense and pain of trying to find the "cheaters" (See Australia's RoboDebt). Its still capitalism and you still benefit from seeking a higher paying job but once most jobs have been automated it lets people easily train for better jobs without having to constantly report back to some defective government department and randomly getting their payments cut off.
- nkozyra 6y agoAgreed. People get caught up in this binary capitalism xor socialism see saw, and device the side based on their own personal tipping point. UBI can exist in a capitalist structure. It can exist in another structure. It is not mutually exclusive to capitalism. And when the day comes where job demand far exceeds supply, it becomes an inevitability.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> The UBI is also basically the welfare system most countries have without the expense and pain of trying to find the "cheaters" (See Australia's RoboDebt). Basically. > Its still capitalism No, the modern welfare state is not capitalism, it's a socialist reaction to capitalism. Now, you can argue that it's “bourgeois socialism” that tends to reinforce the class relations of capitalism and which inevitably reverts to capitalism, as Marx—before it actually became the thing that completely displaced old-school capitalism in the developed world—did. But it's not, itself, capitalism. And the longer it is the dominant system of the developed world without a wholesale reversion to unmitigated capitalism, the harder to pure form of the Marxian charge against bourgeois socialism is to defend.
- fault_lines 6y ago> No, the modern welfare state is not capitalism, it's a socialist reaction to capitalism. You have this completely backwards. The welfare state is a bourgeois reaction to socialism. It is capitalism with a bulwark against revolt.