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This thread will 100% devolve into a binary USA v. China worldview clusterf*ck. im going to try to use less emotion but that might be impossible. -- these are d

This thread will 100% devolve into a binary USA v. China worldview clusterf*ck. im going to try to use less emotion but that might be impossible. -- these are disingenuous comparisons - or maybe truly I simply can't comprehend such a fundamentally different worldview but I hope not Chinese tech companies at best have competing allegiance and at worst are indistinguishable from CCP in goals Trying to compare the violations of privacy the US has unfortunately perpetrated against us, the citizens to the actions and goals of CCP/Xi is dishonest both in the goals of the espionage both states carry out and in terms of the fundamentally inseparable CCP control of corporations to achieve state (and a single increasingly dictatorial leaders' [1]) goals. Douyin and other Chinese tech companies actively: - facilitate an ongoing genocide [2] - carry out state sponsored corporate espionage and forced tech transfers for the direct benefit of CCP via an inseparable government/corporate relationship [3] - suppress and spy on their citizens with the goal of elevating Xi and the CCP, silencing dissent, and controlling over 1 billion people in a way that is fundamentally incongruous with 'western values' and not remotely comparable to the goals of US Government surveillance however misguided [4, 5] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/26/xi-jinping-china-presidential-limit-scrap-dictator-for-life https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/26/xi-jinping-chi... [2] http://archive.is/wdZ36 http://archive.is/wdZ36 [3] https://www.csis.org/programs/technology-policy-program/survey-chinese-linked-espionage-united-states-2000 https://www.csis.org/programs/technology-policy-program/surv... [4] https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-tech-giants-have-a-second-job-helping-the-government-see-everything-1512056284 https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-tech-giants-have-a-secon... [5] http://archive.is/SUyhH http://archive.is/SUyhH

filleduchaos 6y ago
I think I explain my stance pretty clearly in this other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23991554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23991554 I do understand how it might be a "disingenuous comparison" to you as an American citizen who primarily thinks of your government according to its internal policies (and even those raise quite a lot of eyebrows). But as a third party that's spent all of my life witnessing (for instance) the death toll of US foreign policy, my fundamentally different world view is that the mouth preaches while the hands feed poison. Why should I take up arms for one brand of poison over the other?

filleduchaos 6y ago

I think I explain my stance pretty clearly in this other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23991554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23991554 I do understand how it might be a "disingenuous comparison" to you as an American citizen who primarily thinks of your government according to its internal policies (and even those raise quite a lot of eyebrows). But as a third party that's spent all of my life witnessing (for instance) the death toll of US foreign policy, my fundamentally different world view is that the mouth preaches while the hands feed poison. Why should I take up arms for one brand of poison over the other?