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"which I think adds weight to the argument that is unfair behaviour by Apple" Apple takes back from the developer exactly what they gave the developer. This ha

"which I think adds weight to the argument that is unfair behaviour by Apple" Apple takes back from the developer exactly what they gave the developer. This has been verified by a number of people, and this submission is just farcically wrong. How is this nonsense front page on HN? Is this community this clueless?

smarnach 6y ago
Do you have any sources for your claim? The original claim - i.e. developers lost money for each refund - is backed not only by the original post, but also by several other sources linked in the comments.
- hn_check 6y ago
  Which sources would those be? Someone linking to preliminary text of Apple's refund policy when they were forming the app store in 2009? Because that is meaningless. Apple takes back exactly what they gave the developer. There are zero sources demonstrating otherwise (and the source of this links a basic sales chart -- guess what, that doesn't prove his point whatsoever). There are literally a half dozen developers replying to him countering his claim, yet it's remarkable seeing the gullibility of this crowd regarding a simply absurd claim. The guy's trump card is that they had "negative days". No shit. One day they had more refunds than sales. That doesn't mean Apple is taking an extra 30%. EDIT: Even the Reddit story on this absurd tweet now has a top comment refuting it, and a wide acknowledgment that they need to be more discerning. HN -- all the top comments are falling in line. My two comments are at -1. LOL. My bio that this place is Dunning-Kruger demonstrated writ large holds true. What an embarrassment.
  - rattray 6y ago
    cc @dang
    - xvector 6y ago
      He is caustic but not wrong. If anything, this story should be taken down. It’s factually incorrect and even the tweet in the link has been deleted.
      - rattray 6y ago
        Calling people idiots without citing sources is really unproductive. If you're right, cite sources, so folks can be educated. Trusting a random hn user who doesn't back up their claims is something even @hn_check would scoff at.
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    - FriendlyNormie 6y ago
      Give me your full name and home address you miserable little faggot.
    - dang 6y ago
      The site guidelines ask you to email hn@ycombinator.com instead of doing this. Had anyone done so, we might have seen it and been able to do something in time. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- pc86 6y ago
  This aged poorly.
  - krick 6y ago
    And fast.
rattray 6y ago
See this comment elsewhere on the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23992485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23992485 If you charge $10, you get paid $7, and if the customer refunds, Apple removes $10 from your account – you'll be $3 worse off than if the customer never purchased anything.
- hn_check 6y ago
  EDIT: LOL the guy retracted it and noted that he was mistaken. Every clown who repeated this and argued the unfairness of it, like rattray here -- delete your accounts. >If you charge $10, you get paid $7, and if the customer refunds, Apple removes $10 from your account BUT APPLE DOESN'T DO THIS There are literally dozens of developers with monetized apps saying that Apple does not and has not done this in this thread and replies to the tweet. There is one guy misrepresenting some facts. The overwhelming truth according to the pitchfork mob of HN is the lie. Amazing. The gullibility of this crowd is simply incredible. Do you not think this would be bigger news than "hey look, some guy says something billions of dollars into app store sales". cc @ dang -- rattray is intentionally spreading hilariously dumb misinformation to make HN look like a bunch of stupid assholes. Hilariously this is auto-dead. Of course it is. Yet another of so many times HN has been so catastrophically off the mark. This place is a den of absolute idiots, time and time again. And when it is realized it goes to auto-dead time. Absolutely fucking embarrassing for anyone who is proud of their association with this shithole of stupidity.
- rattray 6y ago
  Actually, elsewhere on the thread, a few other folks note that this behavior did not occur for them, even though the terms allow it. Unclear whether it happened in this case.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
    I'm the guy that posted that excerpt from the agreement. I was actually shocked that no one else had, as there are millions of copies of it out there. But I do appreciate the anecdotal stories from folks that actually processed refunds. Apple is entitled to yank the extra 30%, but it seems that they don't do it. That's not uncommon. Lawyers will often add stuff to contracts that they don't intend to enforce, to give them leverage and cover, in unique situations. I have never had to process a refund, so I don't know.

smarnach 6y ago

Do you have any sources for your claim? The original claim - i.e. developers lost money for each refund - is backed not only by the original post, but also by several other sources linked in the comments.

hn_check 6y ago
Which sources would those be? Someone linking to preliminary text of Apple's refund policy when they were forming the app store in 2009? Because that is meaningless. Apple takes back exactly what they gave the developer. There are zero sources demonstrating otherwise (and the source of this links a basic sales chart -- guess what, that doesn't prove his point whatsoever). There are literally a half dozen developers replying to him countering his claim, yet it's remarkable seeing the gullibility of this crowd regarding a simply absurd claim. The guy's trump card is that they had "negative days". No shit. One day they had more refunds than sales. That doesn't mean Apple is taking an extra 30%. EDIT: Even the Reddit story on this absurd tweet now has a top comment refuting it, and a wide acknowledgment that they need to be more discerning. HN -- all the top comments are falling in line. My two comments are at -1. LOL. My bio that this place is Dunning-Kruger demonstrated writ large holds true. What an embarrassment.
- rattray 6y ago
  cc @dang
  - xvector 6y ago
    He is caustic but not wrong. If anything, this story should be taken down. It’s factually incorrect and even the tweet in the link has been deleted.
    - rattray 6y ago
      Calling people idiots without citing sources is really unproductive. If you're right, cite sources, so folks can be educated. Trusting a random hn user who doesn't back up their claims is something even @hn_check would scoff at.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
  - FriendlyNormie 6y ago
    Give me your full name and home address you miserable little faggot.
  - dang 6y ago
    The site guidelines ask you to email hn@ycombinator.com instead of doing this. Had anyone done so, we might have seen it and been able to do something in time. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
pc86 6y ago
This aged poorly.
- krick 6y ago
  And fast.

rattray 6y ago

See this comment elsewhere on the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23992485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23992485 If you charge $10, you get paid $7, and if the customer refunds, Apple removes $10 from your account – you'll be $3 worse off than if the customer never purchased anything.

hn_check 6y ago
EDIT: LOL the guy retracted it and noted that he was mistaken. Every clown who repeated this and argued the unfairness of it, like rattray here -- delete your accounts. >If you charge $10, you get paid $7, and if the customer refunds, Apple removes $10 from your account BUT APPLE DOESN'T DO THIS There are literally dozens of developers with monetized apps saying that Apple does not and has not done this in this thread and replies to the tweet. There is one guy misrepresenting some facts. The overwhelming truth according to the pitchfork mob of HN is the lie. Amazing. The gullibility of this crowd is simply incredible. Do you not think this would be bigger news than "hey look, some guy says something billions of dollars into app store sales". cc @ dang -- rattray is intentionally spreading hilariously dumb misinformation to make HN look like a bunch of stupid assholes. Hilariously this is auto-dead. Of course it is. Yet another of so many times HN has been so catastrophically off the mark. This place is a den of absolute idiots, time and time again. And when it is realized it goes to auto-dead time. Absolutely fucking embarrassing for anyone who is proud of their association with this shithole of stupidity.
rattray 6y ago
Actually, elsewhere on the thread, a few other folks note that this behavior did not occur for them, even though the terms allow it. Unclear whether it happened in this case.
- ChrisMarshallNY 6y ago
  I'm the guy that posted that excerpt from the agreement. I was actually shocked that no one else had, as there are millions of copies of it out there. But I do appreciate the anecdotal stories from folks that actually processed refunds. Apple is entitled to yank the extra 30%, but it seems that they don't do it. That's not uncommon. Lawyers will often add stuff to contracts that they don't intend to enforce, to give them leverage and cover, in unique situations. I have never had to process a refund, so I don't know.