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> All of us need to help. I did help - by nearly dying. I had to receive emergency care for appendicitis and could not get anywhere in my region to perform the

> All of us need to help. I did help - by nearly dying. I had to receive emergency care for appendicitis and could not get anywhere in my region to perform the appendectomy because my city decided to shut down all elective surgeries. Why? So that 32,000 morbidly obese octogenarians could die with the best-possible PR spin, which spared the state and their hospital administration staff of any wrongdoing. I developed sepsis and nearly died as a result. I am a healthy 30 year old who went through a common medical emergency with a more than apparent, streamlined medical solution. I was denied basic care and decency, like many people were, because of all this garbage about there being a pandemic. I don't care what you say - any 30 year old's life is more valuable than your grandparent bound to a nursing home. So, no, fuck that - I will not stay home. I will fight for my ability to stay alive, thank you very much. If a pandemic can bring down a country simply by forcing people to stay home, we deserve to lose everything we've built towards. I posit instead, however, that things would be just fine - and just the way they are right now - if we completely ignored your ridiculously generalized request.

newacct583 6y ago
In what city is an emergency appendectomy an elective procedure? That doesn't make any sense. An infected appendix can be fatal, if you were told it was elective someone lied to you. That's not a covid problem, that's malpractice and you should seriously be reporting whoever did it. And I still don't see your point. YES, you should be leaving your house to get emergency medical care. Why does that mean you shouldn't stay home for routine stuff where practical?
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
  > In what city is an emergency appendectomy an elective procedure? That doesn't make any sense. All of them. We got the same results everywhere we tried. And of course, it doesn't make any sense. What about shutting down the hospitals to everything except for one sort of ICU procedure, then under-staffing those ICUs makes any sense? > you should be leaving your house to get emergency medical care. Why does that mean you shouldn't stay home for routine stuff where practical? I stayed home after I was denied emergency medical care. I had to stay barely alive through an at-home visiting nurses service where I had terrible antibiotics fed into my veins multiple times per day. It was a traumatic experience for everyone involved and it was totally, completely unnecessary. I was denied this treatment, why? Because I might catch COVID-19, or give it to somebody else. But oh, don't worry about the fact that you have sepsis! Just sleep it off, we have old folks we need to kill with more intubations. The authorities have no idea what is practical, what is routine, or what is appropriate. If they did, I would have had my surgery and not be dealing with the ongoing consequences of waiting as long as they made me wait.
fiblye 6y ago
Imagine if people stayed home, avoided unnecessary gatherings, and the virus didn't spread uncontrolled. People with medical emergencies could get the care they need and the medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed. If everybody just said "fuck it" and went outside, hospitals would be far more clogged. It's unlikely you'd be telling us about your experience with appendicitis. That's why people are saying we should avoid unnecessarily going outside--so the next person with appendicitis can get immediate care. Ignoring the request is going to result in more deaths, which we can already see in the absolute, unparalleled disaster that is America where people are saying "who cares go outside." The deaths are still rising fast, while other developed countries are doing far better now than they have been in months.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
  > Imagine if people stayed home, avoided unnecessary gatherings, and the virus didn't spread uncontrolled. People with medical emergencies could get the care they need and the medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed. Either you didn't read what I wrote, or you are being extremely disingenuous. The medical systems of NYC are ALWAYS overwhelmed. Why on earth would you suggest otherwise? What you describe here is exactly what we did in NYC, and none of those outcomes are what happened. > The deaths are still rising fast, while other developed countries are doing far better now than they have been in months. Oh go on, tell me about all those tiny little European countries and how it's their regulatory systems - not their puny surface areas - that make this the case.
antonvs 6y ago
People behaving like you are the ones exacerbating the pandemic. You're essentially defending and propagating the exact behavior that led to the experience you describe. I'm sure it makes sense to you somehow, but it's not remotely rational. "Staying home" is not what caused the situation you describe, anyway. You're just drawing an irrelevant association which you're responding to emotionally. > So that 32,000 morbidly obese octogenarians could die with the best-possible PR spin You have to know that that characterization isn't accurate. You chose a group who you think deserve to die more than you do, which says a lot about your degree of selfishness. But many other people that aren't in that group have also died. What about them? Sounds like you're trying to fool yourself to avoid cognitive dissonance.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
  > "Staying home" is not what caused the situation you describe Yes, it is. I had to stay home instead of receiving emergency surgery for a routine medical issue because the hospital did not want to pull the surgeon away from the ICU. They pawned me off onto "essential worker" nurses who visited my home as part of a visiting nurse service, exposing me to far more COVID-19 than had I just received the damn surgery in the first place. And that's what caused me to develop sepsis - having heavy IV medications thrown at me instead of just doing the proper thing. Lawsuit is forthcoming. > You have to know that that characterization isn't accurate. That's the only characterization that we KNOW is accurate. That's what happened in NYC. Cuomo's response was hailed as the gold standard of COVID-19 responses. And those results were the celebrated ones, the ones to recreate across the country.

newacct583 6y ago

In what city is an emergency appendectomy an elective procedure? That doesn't make any sense. An infected appendix can be fatal, if you were told it was elective someone lied to you. That's not a covid problem, that's malpractice and you should seriously be reporting whoever did it. And I still don't see your point. YES, you should be leaving your house to get emergency medical care. Why does that mean you shouldn't stay home for routine stuff where practical?

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
> In what city is an emergency appendectomy an elective procedure? That doesn't make any sense. All of them. We got the same results everywhere we tried. And of course, it doesn't make any sense. What about shutting down the hospitals to everything except for one sort of ICU procedure, then under-staffing those ICUs makes any sense? > you should be leaving your house to get emergency medical care. Why does that mean you shouldn't stay home for routine stuff where practical? I stayed home after I was denied emergency medical care. I had to stay barely alive through an at-home visiting nurses service where I had terrible antibiotics fed into my veins multiple times per day. It was a traumatic experience for everyone involved and it was totally, completely unnecessary. I was denied this treatment, why? Because I might catch COVID-19, or give it to somebody else. But oh, don't worry about the fact that you have sepsis! Just sleep it off, we have old folks we need to kill with more intubations. The authorities have no idea what is practical, what is routine, or what is appropriate. If they did, I would have had my surgery and not be dealing with the ongoing consequences of waiting as long as they made me wait.

fiblye 6y ago

Imagine if people stayed home, avoided unnecessary gatherings, and the virus didn't spread uncontrolled. People with medical emergencies could get the care they need and the medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed. If everybody just said "fuck it" and went outside, hospitals would be far more clogged. It's unlikely you'd be telling us about your experience with appendicitis. That's why people are saying we should avoid unnecessarily going outside--so the next person with appendicitis can get immediate care. Ignoring the request is going to result in more deaths, which we can already see in the absolute, unparalleled disaster that is America where people are saying "who cares go outside." The deaths are still rising fast, while other developed countries are doing far better now than they have been in months.

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
> Imagine if people stayed home, avoided unnecessary gatherings, and the virus didn't spread uncontrolled. People with medical emergencies could get the care they need and the medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed. Either you didn't read what I wrote, or you are being extremely disingenuous. The medical systems of NYC are ALWAYS overwhelmed. Why on earth would you suggest otherwise? What you describe here is exactly what we did in NYC, and none of those outcomes are what happened. > The deaths are still rising fast, while other developed countries are doing far better now than they have been in months. Oh go on, tell me about all those tiny little European countries and how it's their regulatory systems - not their puny surface areas - that make this the case.

antonvs 6y ago

People behaving like you are the ones exacerbating the pandemic. You're essentially defending and propagating the exact behavior that led to the experience you describe. I'm sure it makes sense to you somehow, but it's not remotely rational. "Staying home" is not what caused the situation you describe, anyway. You're just drawing an irrelevant association which you're responding to emotionally. > So that 32,000 morbidly obese octogenarians could die with the best-possible PR spin You have to know that that characterization isn't accurate. You chose a group who you think deserve to die more than you do, which says a lot about your degree of selfishness. But many other people that aren't in that group have also died. What about them? Sounds like you're trying to fool yourself to avoid cognitive dissonance.

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
> "Staying home" is not what caused the situation you describe Yes, it is. I had to stay home instead of receiving emergency surgery for a routine medical issue because the hospital did not want to pull the surgeon away from the ICU. They pawned me off onto "essential worker" nurses who visited my home as part of a visiting nurse service, exposing me to far more COVID-19 than had I just received the damn surgery in the first place. And that's what caused me to develop sepsis - having heavy IV medications thrown at me instead of just doing the proper thing. Lawsuit is forthcoming. > You have to know that that characterization isn't accurate. That's the only characterization that we KNOW is accurate. That's what happened in NYC. Cuomo's response was hailed as the gold standard of COVID-19 responses. And those results were the celebrated ones, the ones to recreate across the country.