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I've been using typescript for a few years now and to be honest I almost never rely on the compilation errors. I just use the built in Jetbrains IDE completion,

I've been using typescript for a few years now and to be honest I almost never rely on the compilation errors. I just use the built in Jetbrains IDE completion, autosuggestion, and navigation to make it work.

recursivedoubts 6y ago
Yep. A good IDE to a first approximation doesn't allow compilation errors to occur because you are auto-completing everything, including symbol completion based on the type at cursor, etc. Jetbrains is a wonderful company.
- smabie 6y ago
  Since the advent of LSP, I think the value proposition of a full featured IDE has been greatly diminished. For example, I used to use Intellij for Scala but recently switched to Emacs+Metals and haven't really missed anything. In fact, it's probably an even better editing experience. Intellij still has better refactoring (though I don't use it much), and the integrated debugger and database viewer are really nice. I've found myself using Emacs and only switching to Intellij for the aforementioned specialized tasks. 5 years ago you would have been crazy not using an IDE for JVM work but this is no longer the case. LSP is such a wonderful technology and has empowered the creation of new programming languages like never before. It's truly remarkable. If I was Intellij, I would be a little worried about my future market share. They simply can't provide the same value as before, and I'm not sure how they intend to change that.
  - jolux 6y ago
    I wish I had had your luck with language servers. They are fantastic when they work but in my experience configuring them is finicky and difficult, particularly with Emacs. I have also run into problems where the server crashes and does not restart itself, so the IDE functionality in my editor will just silently break and I have to go fix it. JetBrains still dominates the market for IDEs that work out of the box, and I still don't know of any LSPs that can even remotely compete with the sophistication of their static analysis tools and such.
  - noisy_boy 6y ago
    IntelliJ's own checking has had its issues (e.g. this bug https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust/issues/5807 https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust/issues/5807). However, my experience with rls/rust-analyzer with VSCode hasn't been great either. Red squiggly lines that persist even if the syntax is correct - I have to erase and type the same thing to trigger refreshed checking which is very annoying and counter-productive. Though it is possible that this is more of an integration issue considering I haven't had similar problems with Typescript on VSCode - the checking was flawless (I think typescript checking also uses a language server).
  - yawaramin 6y ago
    Does Metals have a feature to add parameter names at method callsites? I use that IntelliJ feature of the Scala plugin all the time, it's such a lifesaver.

recursivedoubts 6y ago

Yep. A good IDE to a first approximation doesn't allow compilation errors to occur because you are auto-completing everything, including symbol completion based on the type at cursor, etc. Jetbrains is a wonderful company.

smabie 6y ago
Since the advent of LSP, I think the value proposition of a full featured IDE has been greatly diminished. For example, I used to use Intellij for Scala but recently switched to Emacs+Metals and haven't really missed anything. In fact, it's probably an even better editing experience. Intellij still has better refactoring (though I don't use it much), and the integrated debugger and database viewer are really nice. I've found myself using Emacs and only switching to Intellij for the aforementioned specialized tasks. 5 years ago you would have been crazy not using an IDE for JVM work but this is no longer the case. LSP is such a wonderful technology and has empowered the creation of new programming languages like never before. It's truly remarkable. If I was Intellij, I would be a little worried about my future market share. They simply can't provide the same value as before, and I'm not sure how they intend to change that.
- jolux 6y ago
  I wish I had had your luck with language servers. They are fantastic when they work but in my experience configuring them is finicky and difficult, particularly with Emacs. I have also run into problems where the server crashes and does not restart itself, so the IDE functionality in my editor will just silently break and I have to go fix it. JetBrains still dominates the market for IDEs that work out of the box, and I still don't know of any LSPs that can even remotely compete with the sophistication of their static analysis tools and such.
- noisy_boy 6y ago
  IntelliJ's own checking has had its issues (e.g. this bug https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust/issues/5807 https://github.com/intellij-rust/intellij-rust/issues/5807). However, my experience with rls/rust-analyzer with VSCode hasn't been great either. Red squiggly lines that persist even if the syntax is correct - I have to erase and type the same thing to trigger refreshed checking which is very annoying and counter-productive. Though it is possible that this is more of an integration issue considering I haven't had similar problems with Typescript on VSCode - the checking was flawless (I think typescript checking also uses a language server).
- yawaramin 6y ago
  Does Metals have a feature to add parameter names at method callsites? I use that IntelliJ feature of the Scala plugin all the time, it's such a lifesaver.