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> “It is, unfortunately, no exaggeration to say that a prison sentence today can amount to the imposition of a serious health crisis, even a death sentence, giv

by IMTDb 6y ago

> “It is, unfortunately, no exaggeration to say that a prison sentence today can amount to the imposition of a serious health crisis, even a death sentence, given the BOP’s (Federal Bureau of Prisons) current inability to control the spread of the coronavirus,” No exaggeration ? °-°

munk-a 6y ago
Not a huge exaggeration - but I'd like to see some explanation of why that's in any way relevant to the trial. Maybe the DOJ should be requesting funds from congress to help improve prison safety or even look at upscaling work-release programs - or maybe the executive branch could pardon all those low level drug offenders and the DOJ could finally remove mandatory sentencing rules around possession charges. Maybe in this virus world centralized prisons aren't morally acceptable and we need to look at smaller more integrated facilities for all but the max-security folks. But it doesn't matter for this dude's case, it's completely irrelevant. He can take on the same risks that society deems appropriate for black kids who had a joint behind their ear. (edit: As I noted in a response actually yea, it is a huge exaggeration so I don't disagree with the parent's point. I still personally prefer to tear down the BS from the angle I noted above but yea the lawyer's numbers are also totally BS)
- IMTDb 6y ago
  If we consider p(him dying) = 1 if convicted to a death sentence. The point of the lawyer if that p(him getting covid in prison) * p(him dying of covid as a healthy 40 year old) ≈ 1. If it's not a huge exaggeration, please run me through the numbers. Because p(him dying of covid as a healthy 40 year old) < 0.015 I would love to pay those attorney's fee with few lottery tickets if that's how this guy plays with statistics.
  - munk-a 6y ago
    That's fair yea - so I think there a few ways this lawyer's statements can be proven to be nonsense. The numbers in that formulary are mostly unknown so I'd be more comfortable attacking the statement from the angle I outlined above but I agree the numbers clearly don't match what the lawyer is implying.
- edbob 6y ago
  > He can take on the same risks that society deems appropriate for black kids who had a joint behind their ear. I spent 10 years incarcerated in TDCJ, and I don't appreciate you spreading falsehoods like this. There are a lot of reasons that people go to prison, and a very small number claim to be innocent (and some are, I just don't know which ones). But I never met anyone who was down for just a joint. Maybe if the joint constituted a violation of probation for aggravated robbery or statutory rape or something like that, but never for just a joint. Most of you who talk like this don't even know the people that you think are so oppressed. It's no surprise that you complain about imaginary problems while being completely ignorant of the real issues.

by IMTDb 6y ago

munk-a 6y ago

Not a huge exaggeration - but I'd like to see some explanation of why that's in any way relevant to the trial. Maybe the DOJ should be requesting funds from congress to help improve prison safety or even look at upscaling work-release programs - or maybe the executive branch could pardon all those low level drug offenders and the DOJ could finally remove mandatory sentencing rules around possession charges. Maybe in this virus world centralized prisons aren't morally acceptable and we need to look at smaller more integrated facilities for all but the max-security folks. But it doesn't matter for this dude's case, it's completely irrelevant. He can take on the same risks that society deems appropriate for black kids who had a joint behind their ear. (edit: As I noted in a response actually yea, it is a huge exaggeration so I don't disagree with the parent's point. I still personally prefer to tear down the BS from the angle I noted above but yea the lawyer's numbers are also totally BS)

IMTDb 6y ago
If we consider p(him dying) = 1 if convicted to a death sentence. The point of the lawyer if that p(him getting covid in prison) * p(him dying of covid as a healthy 40 year old) ≈ 1. If it's not a huge exaggeration, please run me through the numbers. Because p(him dying of covid as a healthy 40 year old) < 0.015 I would love to pay those attorney's fee with few lottery tickets if that's how this guy plays with statistics.
- munk-a 6y ago
  That's fair yea - so I think there a few ways this lawyer's statements can be proven to be nonsense. The numbers in that formulary are mostly unknown so I'd be more comfortable attacking the statement from the angle I outlined above but I agree the numbers clearly don't match what the lawyer is implying.
edbob 6y ago
> He can take on the same risks that society deems appropriate for black kids who had a joint behind their ear. I spent 10 years incarcerated in TDCJ, and I don't appreciate you spreading falsehoods like this. There are a lot of reasons that people go to prison, and a very small number claim to be innocent (and some are, I just don't know which ones). But I never met anyone who was down for just a joint. Maybe if the joint constituted a violation of probation for aggravated robbery or statutory rape or something like that, but never for just a joint. Most of you who talk like this don't even know the people that you think are so oppressed. It's no surprise that you complain about imaginary problems while being completely ignorant of the real issues.