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Clearly though neither Apple nor Google have thought TikTok problematic enough to not delist it from their app stores. I don't think any app should be banned u

Clearly though neither Apple nor Google have thought TikTok problematic enough to not delist it from their app stores. I don't think any app should be banned unless they indulge in criminality/illegality which needs to be proven in law.

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
Exactly, but all that has gone out the window when it comes to Chinese companies. The US has waged an aggressive campaign to destroy Huawei - pressuring governments around the world to ban use of their equipment and threatening Huawei's suppliers with sanctions (even its non-US suppliers) - based on completely unsupported claims of surveillance. The message to China is: we want you to open your market to our high-tech products, but you're not allowed to develop your own high-tech products, much less sell them abroad. The US was fine with China being a platform for low-wage labor for Western companies, but the US not okay with the existence of a peer-level competitor on the world stage. Trump's impulsive tendencies make this even more dangerous. The closing of the Houston consulate was a dramatic step. The possible cutting off of diplomatic relations between the world's two largest powers is extremely alarming. As the election gets closer, however, I fear we'll see more such abrupt actions, especially if Trump's poll numbers continue to slump.
- Avicebron 6y ago
  This is no where near the message. The message is, the wealthy of the US have exploited China for low wage labor (also high quality production) and we need to stop allowing that to happen and bring that back to the US. Competition is the foundation of the US ethos and if that becomes obviously lopsided there needs to be a correction
- maxdo 6y ago
  Uhm, how you even come up with this conclusions ?? China was throwing away so many US companies. Stole so many IP with no trials or fines for that. US didn't protect their interests for years. Any other normal country would protect their businesses years ago. This pressure is very soft and kind comparing how China treat any other foreign company not only US.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    The IP theft claims are massively played up. American companies did business in China because it made them money, even despite possible IP theft or IP transfer agreements. The US has protected its interests just fine in China. Its companies have made massive profits off of Chinese labor and in the Chinese market. In order to join the WHO, an institution created largely by the US, China underwent all sorts of business-friendly reforms, including privatizing parts of the economy, lowering tariffs, and establishing IP protections. Enforcement of IP rights has increased dramatically over the past decade, by the way. > This pressure is very soft and kind comparing how China treat any other foreign company not only US. China isn't going around the world trying to force foreign companies to stop doing business with American companies. The US' actions against Chinese companies are far more extreme than the other way around.
    - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
      *WTO, not WHO
  - billfruit 6y ago
    IP theft seems to be a massively overhyped claim, and I do think that isn't the real driving force behind US policy. It is not as if IP theft has suddenly soared into an unbearable level as to force US to act suddenly. WTO surely has frameworks to handle such issues, but it is US who seems to find them inconvenient and is trying to seek unilateral means. Even for example closing the Houston counsulate has been done on vague reasons, the US government should be transparent in explaining the specific reasons behind the action to the US public and the press, which hasn't been done till now. Seen in light with other recent actions like sanctioning of companies working on the Nordstrom2 pipeline etc, US surely is acting up the role of international bully in recent days.
musicale 6y ago
> Clearly though neither Apple nor Google have thought TikTok problematic enough to not delist it from their app stores. Not yet at least. Apple did however roll out privacy features which revealed some of TikTok's sneaky practices.
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DiogenesKynikos 6y ago

Exactly, but all that has gone out the window when it comes to Chinese companies. The US has waged an aggressive campaign to destroy Huawei - pressuring governments around the world to ban use of their equipment and threatening Huawei's suppliers with sanctions (even its non-US suppliers) - based on completely unsupported claims of surveillance. The message to China is: we want you to open your market to our high-tech products, but you're not allowed to develop your own high-tech products, much less sell them abroad. The US was fine with China being a platform for low-wage labor for Western companies, but the US not okay with the existence of a peer-level competitor on the world stage. Trump's impulsive tendencies make this even more dangerous. The closing of the Houston consulate was a dramatic step. The possible cutting off of diplomatic relations between the world's two largest powers is extremely alarming. As the election gets closer, however, I fear we'll see more such abrupt actions, especially if Trump's poll numbers continue to slump.

Avicebron 6y ago
This is no where near the message. The message is, the wealthy of the US have exploited China for low wage labor (also high quality production) and we need to stop allowing that to happen and bring that back to the US. Competition is the foundation of the US ethos and if that becomes obviously lopsided there needs to be a correction
maxdo 6y ago
Uhm, how you even come up with this conclusions ?? China was throwing away so many US companies. Stole so many IP with no trials or fines for that. US didn't protect their interests for years. Any other normal country would protect their businesses years ago. This pressure is very soft and kind comparing how China treat any other foreign company not only US.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  The IP theft claims are massively played up. American companies did business in China because it made them money, even despite possible IP theft or IP transfer agreements. The US has protected its interests just fine in China. Its companies have made massive profits off of Chinese labor and in the Chinese market. In order to join the WHO, an institution created largely by the US, China underwent all sorts of business-friendly reforms, including privatizing parts of the economy, lowering tariffs, and establishing IP protections. Enforcement of IP rights has increased dramatically over the past decade, by the way. > This pressure is very soft and kind comparing how China treat any other foreign company not only US. China isn't going around the world trying to force foreign companies to stop doing business with American companies. The US' actions against Chinese companies are far more extreme than the other way around.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    *WTO, not WHO
- billfruit 6y ago
  IP theft seems to be a massively overhyped claim, and I do think that isn't the real driving force behind US policy. It is not as if IP theft has suddenly soared into an unbearable level as to force US to act suddenly. WTO surely has frameworks to handle such issues, but it is US who seems to find them inconvenient and is trying to seek unilateral means. Even for example closing the Houston counsulate has been done on vague reasons, the US government should be transparent in explaining the specific reasons behind the action to the US public and the press, which hasn't been done till now. Seen in light with other recent actions like sanctioning of companies working on the Nordstrom2 pipeline etc, US surely is acting up the role of international bully in recent days.

musicale 6y ago

> Clearly though neither Apple nor Google have thought TikTok problematic enough to not delist it from their app stores. Not yet at least. Apple did however roll out privacy features which revealed some of TikTok's sneaky practices.

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