4 ms·

It's not the same at all. Payment processing is work, regardless of direction. Marketing fees for non-sales is payment for nothing.

andrewxdiamond 6y ago
....but Apple processes payments for App Store purchases? And they pay to maintain the store. Storage, bandwidth, updates, those are all “work” as well. I do think 30% is quite high, but this comment seems to consider Apple a charity house that should provide these services for free
- R0b0t1 6y ago
  Despite the fluid nature of consideration in contract law there are checks to ensure you can't demand $5000 for a single aspirin. That seems like it'd come into play here. The 30% only makes sense in the context of it paying for more than payment processing, and consequently if the marketing wasn't effective I'd not pay for it.
- latortuga 6y ago
  Don't forget that Apple takes a yearly developer license. You're claiming that the 30% cut that they keep on a refund is used to cover payment processing (typically priced around 3%) and the marginal cost of the bandwidth to distribute that single copy of the app? Even for $0.99 apps that price is outrageously expensive. AWS, notorious for their high bandwidth pricing, costs ~2 cents per GB on S3. This is 33 cents for a dozen MB. Nobody is saying Apple shouldn't get paid here, but keeping 30% is insane.
  - andrewxdiamond 6y ago
    A product or service is worth what people will pay, not what it costs.
- sushid 6y ago
  Why are there so many pro bono Apple defenders for this? They literally are taking 30% when a user buys an app and 30% when they are refunding it. 30% is quite high? It's highway robbery!
  - tialaramex 6y ago
    People are powerfully invested in beliefs they have about the world. Those beliefs become part of who they are. Facts which contradict those beliefs may be interpreted as an attack on them as a person and so must be rejected even though facts don't give a shit what you believe.
bzb3 6y ago
Pretty sure that 30% also covers payment processing

andrewxdiamond 6y ago

....but Apple processes payments for App Store purchases? And they pay to maintain the store. Storage, bandwidth, updates, those are all “work” as well. I do think 30% is quite high, but this comment seems to consider Apple a charity house that should provide these services for free

R0b0t1 6y ago
Despite the fluid nature of consideration in contract law there are checks to ensure you can't demand $5000 for a single aspirin. That seems like it'd come into play here. The 30% only makes sense in the context of it paying for more than payment processing, and consequently if the marketing wasn't effective I'd not pay for it.
latortuga 6y ago
Don't forget that Apple takes a yearly developer license. You're claiming that the 30% cut that they keep on a refund is used to cover payment processing (typically priced around 3%) and the marginal cost of the bandwidth to distribute that single copy of the app? Even for $0.99 apps that price is outrageously expensive. AWS, notorious for their high bandwidth pricing, costs ~2 cents per GB on S3. This is 33 cents for a dozen MB. Nobody is saying Apple shouldn't get paid here, but keeping 30% is insane.
- andrewxdiamond 6y ago
  A product or service is worth what people will pay, not what it costs.
sushid 6y ago
Why are there so many pro bono Apple defenders for this? They literally are taking 30% when a user buys an app and 30% when they are refunding it. 30% is quite high? It's highway robbery!
- tialaramex 6y ago
  People are powerfully invested in beliefs they have about the world. Those beliefs become part of who they are. Facts which contradict those beliefs may be interpreted as an attack on them as a person and so must be rejected even though facts don't give a shit what you believe.

bzb3 6y ago

Pretty sure that 30% also covers payment processing