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Yeah, no. You don't get to boss around anybody at any location. If you want to stay home, stay home. Don't tell everyone else what to do when you are able to av

Yeah, no. You don't get to boss around anybody at any location. If you want to stay home, stay home. Don't tell everyone else what to do when you are able to avoid the virus entirely by just taking your own advice.

gilrain 6y ago
Do you enjoy living in a civilization? Then you need to take pandemics seriously.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
  I lived through this already, I already live in "civilization." You know what Manhattan looks like today because of how seriously we took this dumb pandemic? [0] Yeah, real civilized. Some people don't realize just how uncivilized NYC is without all the people walking around outside, making the grime, dysfunction, inefficiency, and disorder look acceptable and reasonable. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVSuz1gJkZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVSuz1gJkZg
newacct583 6y ago
> You don't get to boss around anybody at any location. Who's bossing around anyone? I responded to someone saying "you don't have to stay home" with "you should stay home". I'm just a random guy on the internet. So, to clarify: will you please stay home? > you are able to avoid the virus entirely by just taking your own advice. I'm trying. But no, I can't avoid all interaction like this guy did. Some people can't avoid interaction at all (i.e. they have "essential" jobs they need to be at in person). All of us need to help. Your attitude, frankly, is precisely why the US is, well, shitting the bed with this virus when almost literally everyone else in the developed world has it contained.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
  > All of us need to help. I did help - by nearly dying. I had to receive emergency care for appendicitis and could not get anywhere in my region to perform the appendectomy because my city decided to shut down all elective surgeries. Why? So that 32,000 morbidly obese octogenarians could die with the best-possible PR spin, which spared the state and their hospital administration staff of any wrongdoing. I developed sepsis and nearly died as a result. I am a healthy 30 year old who went through a common medical emergency with a more than apparent, streamlined medical solution. I was denied basic care and decency, like many people were, because of all this garbage about there being a pandemic. I don't care what you say - any 30 year old's life is more valuable than your grandparent bound to a nursing home. So, no, fuck that - I will not stay home. I will fight for my ability to stay alive, thank you very much. If a pandemic can bring down a country simply by forcing people to stay home, we deserve to lose everything we've built towards. I posit instead, however, that things would be just fine - and just the way they are right now - if we completely ignored your ridiculously generalized request.
  - newacct583 6y ago
    In what city is an emergency appendectomy an elective procedure? That doesn't make any sense. An infected appendix can be fatal, if you were told it was elective someone lied to you. That's not a covid problem, that's malpractice and you should seriously be reporting whoever did it. And I still don't see your point. YES, you should be leaving your house to get emergency medical care. Why does that mean you shouldn't stay home for routine stuff where practical?
    - AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
      > In what city is an emergency appendectomy an elective procedure? That doesn't make any sense. All of them. We got the same results everywhere we tried. And of course, it doesn't make any sense. What about shutting down the hospitals to everything except for one sort of ICU procedure, then under-staffing those ICUs makes any sense? > you should be leaving your house to get emergency medical care. Why does that mean you shouldn't stay home for routine stuff where practical? I stayed home after I was denied emergency medical care. I had to stay barely alive through an at-home visiting nurses service where I had terrible antibiotics fed into my veins multiple times per day. It was a traumatic experience for everyone involved and it was totally, completely unnecessary. I was denied this treatment, why? Because I might catch COVID-19, or give it to somebody else. But oh, don't worry about the fact that you have sepsis! Just sleep it off, we have old folks we need to kill with more intubations. The authorities have no idea what is practical, what is routine, or what is appropriate. If they did, I would have had my surgery and not be dealing with the ongoing consequences of waiting as long as they made me wait.
  - fiblye 6y ago
    Imagine if people stayed home, avoided unnecessary gatherings, and the virus didn't spread uncontrolled. People with medical emergencies could get the care they need and the medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed. If everybody just said "fuck it" and went outside, hospitals would be far more clogged. It's unlikely you'd be telling us about your experience with appendicitis. That's why people are saying we should avoid unnecessarily going outside--so the next person with appendicitis can get immediate care. Ignoring the request is going to result in more deaths, which we can already see in the absolute, unparalleled disaster that is America where people are saying "who cares go outside." The deaths are still rising fast, while other developed countries are doing far better now than they have been in months.

gilrain 6y ago

Do you enjoy living in a civilization? Then you need to take pandemics seriously.

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
I lived through this already, I already live in "civilization." You know what Manhattan looks like today because of how seriously we took this dumb pandemic? [0] Yeah, real civilized. Some people don't realize just how uncivilized NYC is without all the people walking around outside, making the grime, dysfunction, inefficiency, and disorder look acceptable and reasonable. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVSuz1gJkZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVSuz1gJkZg

newacct583 6y ago

> You don't get to boss around anybody at any location. Who's bossing around anyone? I responded to someone saying "you don't have to stay home" with "you should stay home". I'm just a random guy on the internet. So, to clarify: will you please stay home? > you are able to avoid the virus entirely by just taking your own advice. I'm trying. But no, I can't avoid all interaction like this guy did. Some people can't avoid interaction at all (i.e. they have "essential" jobs they need to be at in person). All of us need to help. Your attitude, frankly, is precisely why the US is, well, shitting the bed with this virus when almost literally everyone else in the developed world has it contained.

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
> All of us need to help. I did help - by nearly dying. I had to receive emergency care for appendicitis and could not get anywhere in my region to perform the appendectomy because my city decided to shut down all elective surgeries. Why? So that 32,000 morbidly obese octogenarians could die with the best-possible PR spin, which spared the state and their hospital administration staff of any wrongdoing. I developed sepsis and nearly died as a result. I am a healthy 30 year old who went through a common medical emergency with a more than apparent, streamlined medical solution. I was denied basic care and decency, like many people were, because of all this garbage about there being a pandemic. I don't care what you say - any 30 year old's life is more valuable than your grandparent bound to a nursing home. So, no, fuck that - I will not stay home. I will fight for my ability to stay alive, thank you very much. If a pandemic can bring down a country simply by forcing people to stay home, we deserve to lose everything we've built towards. I posit instead, however, that things would be just fine - and just the way they are right now - if we completely ignored your ridiculously generalized request.
- newacct583 6y ago
  In what city is an emergency appendectomy an elective procedure? That doesn't make any sense. An infected appendix can be fatal, if you were told it was elective someone lied to you. That's not a covid problem, that's malpractice and you should seriously be reporting whoever did it. And I still don't see your point. YES, you should be leaving your house to get emergency medical care. Why does that mean you shouldn't stay home for routine stuff where practical?
  - AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
    > In what city is an emergency appendectomy an elective procedure? That doesn't make any sense. All of them. We got the same results everywhere we tried. And of course, it doesn't make any sense. What about shutting down the hospitals to everything except for one sort of ICU procedure, then under-staffing those ICUs makes any sense? > you should be leaving your house to get emergency medical care. Why does that mean you shouldn't stay home for routine stuff where practical? I stayed home after I was denied emergency medical care. I had to stay barely alive through an at-home visiting nurses service where I had terrible antibiotics fed into my veins multiple times per day. It was a traumatic experience for everyone involved and it was totally, completely unnecessary. I was denied this treatment, why? Because I might catch COVID-19, or give it to somebody else. But oh, don't worry about the fact that you have sepsis! Just sleep it off, we have old folks we need to kill with more intubations. The authorities have no idea what is practical, what is routine, or what is appropriate. If they did, I would have had my surgery and not be dealing with the ongoing consequences of waiting as long as they made me wait.
- fiblye 6y ago
  Imagine if people stayed home, avoided unnecessary gatherings, and the virus didn't spread uncontrolled. People with medical emergencies could get the care they need and the medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed. If everybody just said "fuck it" and went outside, hospitals would be far more clogged. It's unlikely you'd be telling us about your experience with appendicitis. That's why people are saying we should avoid unnecessarily going outside--so the next person with appendicitis can get immediate care. Ignoring the request is going to result in more deaths, which we can already see in the absolute, unparalleled disaster that is America where people are saying "who cares go outside." The deaths are still rising fast, while other developed countries are doing far better now than they have been in months.