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> but Verizon was the worst and basically took a company on the road to destruction and stomped on the accelerator. Verizon was and still is very scary. Whethe

by mcny 6y ago

> but Verizon was the worst and basically took a company on the road to destruction and stomped on the accelerator. Verizon was and still is very scary. Whether or not they are incompetent, companies that came from the mother bell, att, Verizon, CenturyLink, ... And all major ISPs are scary. Verizon's supercookie thing was revealed shortly before it's acquisition of Yahoo! And Aol. If Oath/Verizon Media succeeds as a major online destination, they could have more data than Google, no? I mean it is a data hoarders dream. Own the pipe end to end? » This is a direct result of the internet in general. With lower publication costs you get more publishers which means more supply of ad space which means ad spend that used to go to journalism now goes to Instagram "influencers" and lolcats. Which would be just as true without any of the tracking. I read something either published by Google or about Google that basically said that publishers in average can expect to see twice the revenue with targeting than without which made me think if that's all then we should get rid of tracking and figure out how to live on half the money. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/verizons-supercookies-violated-net-neutrality-transparency-rule/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/veriz...

eternalban 6y ago
Back when it was called NYNEX it certainly was incompetent. > I read something either published by Google or about Google that basically said that publishers in average can expect to see twice the revenue with targeting than without which made me think if that's all then we should get rid of tracking and figure out how to live on half the money. I have an apparently minority ("conspiracy") view on telecommunication systems and security services (regardless of the country). Advertising is a convenient pretext: for both state surveillance and advertising, we need to track users, read their email, and end privacy as we know it. quote: “The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.” ― Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/162691-the-technotronic-era-involves-the-gradual-appearance-of-a-more https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/162691-the-technotronic-era... In case you don't know who this person is, I suggest reviewing his career. He is, as Donald Rumsfeld would have it, a known known.
quadrifoliate 6y ago
> Whether or not they are incompetent, companies that came from the mother bell, att, Verizon, CenturyLink, ... And all major ISPs are scary. In fact, in some ways, the incompetence makes them less scary. Imagine the reach that Verizon would have with content delivery that was better than Netflix and webmail that was better than Gmail; and the resulting potential privacy concerns.

by mcny 6y ago

eternalban 6y ago

Back when it was called NYNEX it certainly was incompetent. > I read something either published by Google or about Google that basically said that publishers in average can expect to see twice the revenue with targeting than without which made me think if that's all then we should get rid of tracking and figure out how to live on half the money. I have an apparently minority ("conspiracy") view on telecommunication systems and security services (regardless of the country). Advertising is a convenient pretext: for both state surveillance and advertising, we need to track users, read their email, and end privacy as we know it. quote: “The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.” ― Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/162691-the-technotronic-era-involves-the-gradual-appearance-of-a-more https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/162691-the-technotronic-era... In case you don't know who this person is, I suggest reviewing his career. He is, as Donald Rumsfeld would have it, a known known.

quadrifoliate 6y ago

> Whether or not they are incompetent, companies that came from the mother bell, att, Verizon, CenturyLink, ... And all major ISPs are scary. In fact, in some ways, the incompetence makes them less scary. Imagine the reach that Verizon would have with content delivery that was better than Netflix and webmail that was better than Gmail; and the resulting potential privacy concerns.