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You are jumping to conclusions. EU might have their own problems, but believing EU, a representative body formed from people elected through a democratic proces

by mola 6y ago

You are jumping to conclusions. EU might have their own problems, but believing EU, a representative body formed from people elected through a democratic process is just the same as a global corporation with a single "rational" goal of "make more money whatever it takes", is naive. In a way, Corporations are inherently corrupt because they are not measured on anything but getting more money, which does not equate creating more value, but is merely a proxy. Democratic bodies maybe be corrupted, but you have the moral grounds to complain about it. Which you don't have with corporations, as long as they make money, they are acting withing our morality expectations. And it is weasel speak, because they don't claim that the EU is asking for this impertinent information specifically, but they make it sound like that. I dare you to find "employee medical records" in the search terms. If they were acting in good faith, they would've ask to enable post dragnet filters, and not to publicly claim the EU is after employee medical records. Which is a lie.

xvector 6y ago
> Democratic bodies maybe be corrupted, but you have the moral grounds to complain about it. Which you don't have with corporations, as long as they make money, they are acting withing our morality expectations. And yet there is still nuance here. Just because a capitalist corporation is inherently corrupt does not mean that every decision made by it will be similarly corrupt or devoid of ethics. And just because a body is democratically elected does not mean that it is not functioning in a morally corrupt manner. Case in point: Facebook (a corrupt entity) is legitimately defending the privacy of their employees in this decision (a decision that is not necessarily corrupt). On the contrary, the regulators asking for this information is symptomatic of corruption. The fact that they did not back off saying that they did not need this information, but rather, decided to pursue a lawsuit, lends credibility to Facebook’s claim. Otherwise, it would be as simple as asking Facebook to exclude this private information from the search. > And it is weasel speak, because they don't claim that the EU is asking for this impertinent information specifically They do. They claim that the search requested by the EU would predominantly include this information. I’m not sure how much clearer you can get. > I dare you to find "employee medical records" in the search terms. A dare that we both know is impossible to test, because the search terms and the underlying body of data are not public. > If they were acting in good faith, they would've ask to enable post dragnet filters, and not to publicly claim the EU is after employee medical records. Which is a lie. Whataboutism.

by mola 6y ago

xvector 6y ago

> Democratic bodies maybe be corrupted, but you have the moral grounds to complain about it. Which you don't have with corporations, as long as they make money, they are acting withing our morality expectations. And yet there is still nuance here. Just because a capitalist corporation is inherently corrupt does not mean that every decision made by it will be similarly corrupt or devoid of ethics. And just because a body is democratically elected does not mean that it is not functioning in a morally corrupt manner. Case in point: Facebook (a corrupt entity) is legitimately defending the privacy of their employees in this decision (a decision that is not necessarily corrupt). On the contrary, the regulators asking for this information is symptomatic of corruption. The fact that they did not back off saying that they did not need this information, but rather, decided to pursue a lawsuit, lends credibility to Facebook’s claim. Otherwise, it would be as simple as asking Facebook to exclude this private information from the search. > And it is weasel speak, because they don't claim that the EU is asking for this impertinent information specifically They do. They claim that the search requested by the EU would predominantly include this information. I’m not sure how much clearer you can get. > I dare you to find "employee medical records" in the search terms. A dare that we both know is impossible to test, because the search terms and the underlying body of data are not public. > If they were acting in good faith, they would've ask to enable post dragnet filters, and not to publicly claim the EU is after employee medical records. Which is a lie. Whataboutism.