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- "cycling is dangerous" - "hiking is dangerous" - "swimming is dangerous" - "running is dangerous" - "cycling complications" - "running complications" ..

by chimen 6y ago

- "cycling is dangerous" - "hiking is dangerous" - "swimming is dangerous" - "running is dangerous" - "cycling complications" - "running complications" ...all day long - just append certain keywords and you'll find many articles and studies to feed your subjective belief and win arguments. I did and talked with a lot of people doing mindfulness meditation and none of them warned me against it. I don't doubt your claims but I think they are exceptions and just about any activity can be found to be dangerous when looking at the exceptions.

acituan 6y ago
> - "cycling is dangerous", "hiking is dangerous", "swimming is dangerous", "running is dangerous" The difference is all of those are physical activities, and a reasonable person can easily infer the risks. That's not the case with these prescriptions of rather potent, psychoactive exercises. A better comparison would be psychedelic mushrooms; it certainly wouldn't kill you but any reasonable prescription would have also cautioned about the importance of set & setting and to stay away from it if you have certain preconditions/proclivities.
- spaetzleesser 6y ago
  Sorry you can’t compare breathing with mushrooms. It’s more like reading an intense book or watching a horror movie. There is a psychoactive effect but it’s pretty small.
  - acituan 6y ago
    > There is a psychoactive effect but it’s pretty small The research I cited claims otherwise. If you have citations to back your claim, I'm happy to revise my position. And sure, it will be OK for a good majority of the population but it is not universally true to the extent of easily claiming "just try it, no harm can come" on a public forum. To give more context, 30% of US population will be clinically anxiety disordered at least once in their lifetime [1]. 17% to 53% of people will experience relaxation-induced anxiety [2]. [1] https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/any-anxiety-disorder.shtml https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/any-anxiety-disor... [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241686673_OA1401_Relaxation-induced_anxiety_predictors_and_subjective_explanations_among_young_adults https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241686673_OA1401_Re...

by chimen 6y ago

acituan 6y ago

> - "cycling is dangerous", "hiking is dangerous", "swimming is dangerous", "running is dangerous" The difference is all of those are physical activities, and a reasonable person can easily infer the risks. That's not the case with these prescriptions of rather potent, psychoactive exercises. A better comparison would be psychedelic mushrooms; it certainly wouldn't kill you but any reasonable prescription would have also cautioned about the importance of set & setting and to stay away from it if you have certain preconditions/proclivities.

spaetzleesser 6y ago
Sorry you can’t compare breathing with mushrooms. It’s more like reading an intense book or watching a horror movie. There is a psychoactive effect but it’s pretty small.
- acituan 6y ago
  > There is a psychoactive effect but it’s pretty small The research I cited claims otherwise. If you have citations to back your claim, I'm happy to revise my position. And sure, it will be OK for a good majority of the population but it is not universally true to the extent of easily claiming "just try it, no harm can come" on a public forum. To give more context, 30% of US population will be clinically anxiety disordered at least once in their lifetime [1]. 17% to 53% of people will experience relaxation-induced anxiety [2]. [1] https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/any-anxiety-disorder.shtml https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/any-anxiety-disor... [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241686673_OA1401_Relaxation-induced_anxiety_predictors_and_subjective_explanations_among_young_adults https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241686673_OA1401_Re...