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Yes, fair enough, but no one else seems to feel the need to translate these acronyms. There are probably (?) more German-speaking NATO citizens than French-spea

Yes, fair enough, but no one else seems to feel the need to translate these acronyms. There are probably (?) more German-speaking NATO citizens than French-speaking ones, and France isn’t even a regular member.

doukdouk 6y ago
It is though [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Strasbourg%E2%80%93Kehl_summit#France's_reintegration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Strasbourg%E2%80%93Kehl_s...
- rich_sasha 6y ago
  Ah interesting, I missed this nugget, thanks
OJFord 6y ago
And perhaps more pertinently, we (outside France) use French ones in other cases: SI, UTC. (Well, outside of CS, GMT is much more common than UTC here in the UK. But I'd put that more down to self-centricism and not having a different term for our own non-Summer time than translating the acronym (which of course it isn't, and came first).)
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > And perhaps more pertinently, we (outside France) use French ones in other cases: SI, UTC. UTC isn't French. It's also not English. It's a deliberate compromise between the obvious acronym for the English phrase (CUT) and that for the corresponding French (TUC). Though to me it reads more as English, and specifically American and military, because “Universal Time, Coordinated” follows a common pattern in US military naming, when what would normally be the first leading adjective instead becomes a trailing modifier.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Yes, fair enough, but no one else seems to feel the need to translate these acronyms. It's not a translation, it's the official acronym based directly on the official name just as much as the English one is. The Treaty and the Organization have two co-equal official languages, English and French. > There are probably (?) more German-speaking NATO citizens Probably, but the official languages, names, and acronyms were all set when the organization was founded, while Germany was still under occupation by the WWII Allies.
AlbertoGP 6y ago
I don’t appreciate being dismissed as “no one else“ :-P Those acronyms in particular, SIDA and OTAN, are also the proper ones in Spanish and Portuguese.
- rich_sasha 6y ago
  I didn’t realise, interesting! And sorry, didn’t mean to put you in the empty set!
  - AlbertoGP 6y ago
    :-D Alles klar!
- eridan2 6y ago
  Valid acronyms in Italian and Romanian too.
julienfr112 6y ago
Well, none of these German speaking people can send a nuclear missile. One French guy does.

doukdouk 6y ago

It is though [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Strasbourg%E2%80%93Kehl_summit#France's_reintegration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Strasbourg%E2%80%93Kehl_s...

rich_sasha 6y ago
Ah interesting, I missed this nugget, thanks

OJFord 6y ago

And perhaps more pertinently, we (outside France) use French ones in other cases: SI, UTC. (Well, outside of CS, GMT is much more common than UTC here in the UK. But I'd put that more down to self-centricism and not having a different term for our own non-Summer time than translating the acronym (which of course it isn't, and came first).)

dragonwriter 6y ago
> And perhaps more pertinently, we (outside France) use French ones in other cases: SI, UTC. UTC isn't French. It's also not English. It's a deliberate compromise between the obvious acronym for the English phrase (CUT) and that for the corresponding French (TUC). Though to me it reads more as English, and specifically American and military, because “Universal Time, Coordinated” follows a common pattern in US military naming, when what would normally be the first leading adjective instead becomes a trailing modifier.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Yes, fair enough, but no one else seems to feel the need to translate these acronyms. It's not a translation, it's the official acronym based directly on the official name just as much as the English one is. The Treaty and the Organization have two co-equal official languages, English and French. > There are probably (?) more German-speaking NATO citizens Probably, but the official languages, names, and acronyms were all set when the organization was founded, while Germany was still under occupation by the WWII Allies.

AlbertoGP 6y ago

I don’t appreciate being dismissed as “no one else“ :-P Those acronyms in particular, SIDA and OTAN, are also the proper ones in Spanish and Portuguese.

rich_sasha 6y ago
I didn’t realise, interesting! And sorry, didn’t mean to put you in the empty set!
- AlbertoGP 6y ago
  :-D Alles klar!
eridan2 6y ago
Valid acronyms in Italian and Romanian too.

julienfr112 6y ago

Well, none of these German speaking people can send a nuclear missile. One French guy does.