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> You must be responding to how you feel, because you sure as hell aren’t responding to what I wrote. I'm just responding to that quote from your last post. >

> You must be responding to how you feel, because you sure as hell aren’t responding to what I wrote. I'm just responding to that quote from your last post. > When you wear particular clothing, it communicates which group you identify with or want to associate with. Agree to a point, but I don't think "Boring" is generally a group someone would try to identify/associate with (I'm assuming you're using boring as a derogatory term here). I also disagree that outgoingness is synonymous with how interesting a person is (in fact I'm sure you'd agree there are many instances of the contrary). And outside of being "good" or "bad" at non-verbal communication you're forgetting another important direction: people who do not care. Take you for example - I find you very interesting because you have strong opinions that differ to mine - It would have been a shame had I immediately categorised you as boring given the sunglasses you were able to afford or if you didn't care about sunglasses beyond their function.

klodolph 6y ago
> I'm just responding to that quote from your last post. You said, “seems insane to me to judge the boringness of a person by the price of their sunglasses” This is some kind of straw argument—to be clear, it’s not what I wrote, it’s not what I meant, it’s not what I implied. > And outside of being "good" or "bad" at non-verbal communication you're forgetting another important direction: people who do not care. It is a mistake to think of “does not care” as some kind of meaningful third position. It is not. Here’s an analogy. Let’s say I ask you, “Did you take the last slice of cake?” It’s a yes/no question with social stakes—maybe I’m upset that I didn’t get any cake. Is there a way that you can avoid communicating a response to my question? No, not really. You heard the question, I’m waiting for your response. You can say yes or no, you can change the topic, you can dodge the question, you can turn the question around, and you can even stay silent—but it is nearly impossible for you to avoid making a conscious decision to communicate a response. Clothing is like that, but the question is implied and the response is nonverbal. Under ordinary circumstances, you must choose how to dress yourself. You can choose to grab whatever is on top of the pile, you can choose to pick out an outfit, you can choose to go outside in your pajamas or stark naked, but you cannot somehow choose not to make a choice. Take a moment and visualize what “I don’t care how others see me” looks like. Do you pick average clothing to blend in? Do you wear whatever you like? Do you carefully observe gender norms when buying clothing from the store? Do you wear whatever has the most pockets? Do you wear the same clothing sitting around the house as you do when you visit a friend’s house? Do you wear T-shirts with characters from your favorite cartoon? Do you wear something from the pile of T-shirts I got for free from vendors at tech conventions? The problem is—once you are aware that you are making a choice, you aren’t really in a position to abdicate that choice.

klodolph 6y ago

> I'm just responding to that quote from your last post. You said, “seems insane to me to judge the boringness of a person by the price of their sunglasses” This is some kind of straw argument—to be clear, it’s not what I wrote, it’s not what I meant, it’s not what I implied. > And outside of being "good" or "bad" at non-verbal communication you're forgetting another important direction: people who do not care. It is a mistake to think of “does not care” as some kind of meaningful third position. It is not. Here’s an analogy. Let’s say I ask you, “Did you take the last slice of cake?” It’s a yes/no question with social stakes—maybe I’m upset that I didn’t get any cake. Is there a way that you can avoid communicating a response to my question? No, not really. You heard the question, I’m waiting for your response. You can say yes or no, you can change the topic, you can dodge the question, you can turn the question around, and you can even stay silent—but it is nearly impossible for you to avoid making a conscious decision to communicate a response. Clothing is like that, but the question is implied and the response is nonverbal. Under ordinary circumstances, you must choose how to dress yourself. You can choose to grab whatever is on top of the pile, you can choose to pick out an outfit, you can choose to go outside in your pajamas or stark naked, but you cannot somehow choose not to make a choice. Take a moment and visualize what “I don’t care how others see me” looks like. Do you pick average clothing to blend in? Do you wear whatever you like? Do you carefully observe gender norms when buying clothing from the store? Do you wear whatever has the most pockets? Do you wear the same clothing sitting around the house as you do when you visit a friend’s house? Do you wear T-shirts with characters from your favorite cartoon? Do you wear something from the pile of T-shirts I got for free from vendors at tech conventions? The problem is—once you are aware that you are making a choice, you aren’t really in a position to abdicate that choice.