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That is my perspective as well, recruiting in a field that is tech adjacent. Practically everyone who applied for vacant roles were either Indian migrants, or

by Khaine 6y ago

That is my perspective as well, recruiting in a field that is tech adjacent. Practically everyone who applied for vacant roles were either Indian migrants, or people here on visas.

h0l0cube 6y ago
For what compensation?
- Khaine 6y ago
  I'm speaking on my own behalf, and not representing my employer, so I don't want to provide too much information. As I understand it, based on what HR tell me, for the industry we are in we offer at the low to mid end of market rates on salary, and make it up in performance pay (bonus).
  - lowdose 6y ago
    I would ask your HR department for a clear example of a company at the low to mid end of the market rates on salary. And which market i.e. city, state, national or global assuming the entire software industry.
    - Khaine 6y ago
      I'm not in the software industry. We have lots of movement between the main players in our industry and so salary ranges while opaque are broadly known to most people in the industry
hiram112 6y ago
Probably because you've flooded the market with Indians on visas, who've pushed down wages and working conditions, just like in the US (and now Canada). Smart students don't want to work in an industry where the working environment gets crappier every year if you're not in the 5% working at FAANG. I had a similar experience when I graduated over a decade ago. My first gig was working for one of the big Indian offshorers - I actually spent a year in India, which was interesting. Regardless, after a few years on similar crappy contracts with over-worked, poorly compensated, indentured servants from India, who were tied to their employer via an H1B visa, I came very close to quitting software for good and going to law school. Luckily, I found an industry that cannot use visa workers and have been able to make a successful career with working conditions and pay that's fair. The visa system has turned most software gigs in the US into a very bad deal where ageism, long hours, lower and lower pay, and general working conditions get worse each year. Then they wonder why smart kids in college decide to go into law and finance, instead of STEM.

by Khaine 6y ago

That is my perspective as well, recruiting in a field that is tech adjacent. Practically everyone who applied for vacant roles were either Indian migrants, or people here on visas.

h0l0cube 6y ago

For what compensation?

Khaine 6y ago
I'm speaking on my own behalf, and not representing my employer, so I don't want to provide too much information. As I understand it, based on what HR tell me, for the industry we are in we offer at the low to mid end of market rates on salary, and make it up in performance pay (bonus).
- lowdose 6y ago
  I would ask your HR department for a clear example of a company at the low to mid end of the market rates on salary. And which market i.e. city, state, national or global assuming the entire software industry.
  - Khaine 6y ago
    I'm not in the software industry. We have lots of movement between the main players in our industry and so salary ranges while opaque are broadly known to most people in the industry

hiram112 6y ago

Probably because you've flooded the market with Indians on visas, who've pushed down wages and working conditions, just like in the US (and now Canada). Smart students don't want to work in an industry where the working environment gets crappier every year if you're not in the 5% working at FAANG. I had a similar experience when I graduated over a decade ago. My first gig was working for one of the big Indian offshorers - I actually spent a year in India, which was interesting. Regardless, after a few years on similar crappy contracts with over-worked, poorly compensated, indentured servants from India, who were tied to their employer via an H1B visa, I came very close to quitting software for good and going to law school. Luckily, I found an industry that cannot use visa workers and have been able to make a successful career with working conditions and pay that's fair. The visa system has turned most software gigs in the US into a very bad deal where ageism, long hours, lower and lower pay, and general working conditions get worse each year. Then they wonder why smart kids in college decide to go into law and finance, instead of STEM.