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To a large degree, these look like no-name companies who probably have to resort to this kind of thing to make up for worse pay and benefits as compared to FAAN

To a large degree, these look like no-name companies who probably have to resort to this kind of thing to make up for worse pay and benefits as compared to FAANG.

madamelic 6y ago
"oh no, this 'no-name company' is _only_ going to pay me $100k+ / year while I live in a low-cost of living area, boo hoo hoo" Scrolling through there are a lot of high-quality companies (Auth0, ASOS, Blue Bottle, Basecamp, Buffer, Canonical, CircleCI... and more and more). Just because Google or Microsoft aren't on the list doesn't mean these are backwoods operations. Those companies don't need to bring in new candidates by being on these lists.
- simonhamp 6y ago
  /raises hand And Elvie! (If you make it to ‘E’) We’re hiring right now :) https://elvie.workable.com https://elvie.workable.com
sangli 6y ago
Anyone else sick and tired of FAANG worship? Lot of groundbreaking stuff came from smaller companies and startups.
tchaffee 6y ago
In other words the companies that 99% of the world's developers work for. What they are "resorting" to is a hiring process that finds good developers at a reasonable cost. "We can't pay you what FAANG pays but we don't put you through a shitty and lengthy interview hazing" is a pretty good proposition to the vast majority of us.
- kamaal 6y ago
  Most companies don't even have spare billions of dollars to waste playing these games. Your normal companies, with normal budgets, have normal projects, which need people who can get work done. If you want some one who can build web sites using React JS you are better off hiring people who know and have built things using React JS. There is little logic in hiring people who can do some obscure fashion-of-the-week algorithms, assuming if they can do this they can learn React is just plain wrong. A person does what they are good at doing, if some one is good at interviewing their incentives are in changing jobs often to find the next company that can offer a raise. Not getting your work done. Also this whole thing that one must know these algorithms because they might once in a life time face a need for Dijkstra's sometime during midnight at a place where they wouldn't find an internet connection, is unrealistic. C'mon. Get real. Companies are full of situations where people are digging with shovels and spoons, because people don't have the skills to use and build tools and system to save thousands of man hours of manual effort. Code bases are full of tech debt. Deployment problems because tests aren't written, or there is just no CI infrastructure. Lack of skills and productivity is a far more realistic and commonly occurring problem than these once in a decade algorithm needs. On top of this comes the need for proactive problem identification and solving(a.k.a innovation). The fact that FAANGs have to acquihire or acquire companies to grow shows they are not hiring the right people either. As of today if you are hiring for devs. You must look for turn-key projects executed, expertise in one main programming language/stack, ability to script quickly, skills to build tooling/monitoring, ability to produce deployable code, code maintenance, writing test cases etc etc.
  - cutemonster 6y ago
    If you were to design an interview, how would it look like?
Sodman 6y ago
Netflix is literally on the list
- nutshell89 6y ago
  So is Facebook.
phatbyte 6y ago
I see Ableton on that list, is probably one of the most used DAW applications used in music production, everyone who's in audio production, engineering know these guys. I'd take a job with this company any time instead of working for a Google/Facebook as another code monkey

To a large degree, these look like no-name companies who probably have to resort to this kind of thing to make up for worse pay and benefits as compared to FAANG.

madamelic 6y ago

"oh no, this 'no-name company' is _only_ going to pay me $100k+ / year while I live in a low-cost of living area, boo hoo hoo" Scrolling through there are a lot of high-quality companies (Auth0, ASOS, Blue Bottle, Basecamp, Buffer, Canonical, CircleCI... and more and more). Just because Google or Microsoft aren't on the list doesn't mean these are backwoods operations. Those companies don't need to bring in new candidates by being on these lists.

simonhamp 6y ago
/raises hand And Elvie! (If you make it to ‘E’) We’re hiring right now :) https://elvie.workable.com https://elvie.workable.com

sangli 6y ago

Anyone else sick and tired of FAANG worship? Lot of groundbreaking stuff came from smaller companies and startups.

tchaffee 6y ago

In other words the companies that 99% of the world's developers work for. What they are "resorting" to is a hiring process that finds good developers at a reasonable cost. "We can't pay you what FAANG pays but we don't put you through a shitty and lengthy interview hazing" is a pretty good proposition to the vast majority of us.

kamaal 6y ago
Most companies don't even have spare billions of dollars to waste playing these games. Your normal companies, with normal budgets, have normal projects, which need people who can get work done. If you want some one who can build web sites using React JS you are better off hiring people who know and have built things using React JS. There is little logic in hiring people who can do some obscure fashion-of-the-week algorithms, assuming if they can do this they can learn React is just plain wrong. A person does what they are good at doing, if some one is good at interviewing their incentives are in changing jobs often to find the next company that can offer a raise. Not getting your work done. Also this whole thing that one must know these algorithms because they might once in a life time face a need for Dijkstra's sometime during midnight at a place where they wouldn't find an internet connection, is unrealistic. C'mon. Get real. Companies are full of situations where people are digging with shovels and spoons, because people don't have the skills to use and build tools and system to save thousands of man hours of manual effort. Code bases are full of tech debt. Deployment problems because tests aren't written, or there is just no CI infrastructure. Lack of skills and productivity is a far more realistic and commonly occurring problem than these once in a decade algorithm needs. On top of this comes the need for proactive problem identification and solving(a.k.a innovation). The fact that FAANGs have to acquihire or acquire companies to grow shows they are not hiring the right people either. As of today if you are hiring for devs. You must look for turn-key projects executed, expertise in one main programming language/stack, ability to script quickly, skills to build tooling/monitoring, ability to produce deployable code, code maintenance, writing test cases etc etc.
- cutemonster 6y ago
  If you were to design an interview, how would it look like?

Sodman 6y ago

Netflix is literally on the list

nutshell89 6y ago
So is Facebook.

phatbyte 6y ago

I see Ableton on that list, is probably one of the most used DAW applications used in music production, everyone who's in audio production, engineering know these guys. I'd take a job with this company any time instead of working for a Google/Facebook as another code monkey