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> For anybody living outside of the UK, going there isn't all that different from going to the US. The tuition is only somewhat cheaper too I think. As opposed
by krn 6y ago
> For anybody living outside of the UK, going there isn't all that different from going to the US. The tuition is only somewhat cheaper too I think. As opposed to most "best" schools in mainland Europe being essentially free for locals.
The EU citizens from outside the UK are able to study in Scotland without paying any tuition fees.
The University of Edinburgh is as highly ranked internationally, as Yale, Columbia, and Cornell[1].
The University of St Andrews is as highly ranked locally, as Cambridge and Oxford[2].
> So I'd assume any kid in Europe planning to go to Oxford is probably planning to apply to American schools too.
That's completely wrong. Almost nobody is considering the US when applying to the universities in England, because England offers Tution Fee Loan to all EU students, that only needs to be repaid when one's income is over the repayment threshold[3].
However, this might end in 2021, because of Brexit.
[1] https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2021 https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-un...
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2019/jun/07/university-league-tables-2020 https://www.theguardian.com/education/ng-interactive/2019/ju...
[3] https://www.ucas.com/finance/student-finance-england/tuition-fee-loans-full-time-students https://www.ucas.com/finance/student-finance-england/tuition...
- auganov 6y ago> because England offers Tution Fee Loan to all EU students, that only needs to be repaid when one's income is over the repayment threshold I stand corrected on this then. > The University of Edinburgh is as highly ranked internationally, as Yale, Columbia, and Cornell The rankings I have to disagree with, I'd like to see something that compared expected income or net worth for graduates. Let's say you're given an opportunity to go to "University of Edinburgh" or Yale with all costs paid for. I think you'll have a hard time finding people who would pick the former.
- krn 6y ago> The rankings I have to disagree with, I'd like to see something that compared expected income or net worth for graduates. Universities are primarily ranked by the quality of their research output, not by the expected net worth of their graduates. > Let's say you're given an opportunity to go to "University of Edinburgh" or Yale with all costs paid for. I think you'll have a hard time finding people who would pick the former. At least in Europe, a graduate of University of Edinburgh would be worth as much as a graduate of Yale in most industries, including finance, law and tech. They would have equal chances of getting a banking job in London, or working for a FAANG company in Zurich. The Ivy League only really matters, if one wants to live in the US. And most Europeans don't. Because Europe is not about becoming super rich, but about never becoming poor. For instance, in my EU country I can take as many years off as I want, and still remain fully covered by the national health insurance by paying just 40€ / month. If a broke my leg tomorrow, it wouldn't cost me anything at all. Therefore, I couldn't care less about being "a high net-worth individual" as long as I don't need to stress about the basic things in life, and have enough freedom to work only with – or for – the companies I really like.
- auganov 6y ago> The Ivy League only really matters, if one wants to live in the US Of course not. You'll still have a better network even if you don't stay in America. Say if you need VC funding for your startup in Europe, you'll be dealing with Americans sooner than later. Or if you're dealing with China or India, they share the same preference too. It'll help. And although there aren't that many truly private European VCs I sincerely doubt they wouldn't notice. I doubt most people outside of the UK know the University of Edinburgh. Everybody knows the top US schools. Never heard of anybody bragging about a University of Edinburgh credential. I'm not even remotely a fan of higher education or the academia at all. But nonetheless like most people I would notice if somebody had a highly-coveted credential. > At least in Europe, a graduate of University of Edinburgh would be worth as much as a graduate of Yale in most industries, including finance, law and tech. They would have equal chances of getting a banking job in London, or working for a FAANG company in Zurich. That point is moot, obviously you couldn't do any major hiring if you expected American credentials in Europe. Yet, the reverse likely isn't true. A Yale credential would open more doors in America and wouldn't close any in Europe. Hence it's superior.
- krn 6y ago> I doubt most people outside of the UK know the University of Edinburgh. Everybody knows the top US schools. My point was, that for 99% of Europeans living in Europe, there is absolutely no difference between a degree from Yale and a degree from University of Edinburgh. Therefore, given a chance, probably 60-70% would still go to the UK rather than the US, just because it's much closer from home.