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> I wonder if people who chronically overeat (hello!) develop insensitivity to these hormones, leading to a cycle where it becomes harder to eat the correct amo

> I wonder if people who chronically overeat (hello!) develop insensitivity to these hormones, leading to a cycle where it becomes harder to eat the correct amount. Sounds like Leptin Resistance. [0] I wonder if I have that. When I see that my rather sedentary lifestyle means I'm only supposed to eat 2,000 calories a day, I don't see how the hell that's possible without constant hunger. Even if I eat a diet rich in protein and fiber, which is supposed to make me feel fuller longer, I'm still always hungry. I can eat a 20 oz ribeye with a large side of broccoli and wheat rolls (A meal that's likely 1500+ calories) and still be hungry in only 2-3 hours. If I eat something in the 600 calorie range, like a 10 oz chicken breast and veggies, I'll be hungry again in an hour, if I ever even feel full at all. Meanwhile, I know a couple people that say "I eat like a lion and I can't gain weight!" then discover that they'll cook up an 8 oz filet and sides and be full without even eating it all. [0] https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/leptin-101 https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/leptin-101

jdironman 6y ago
What I am taking from this...is that fullness isnt a quantitative measure...such as caloric consumption...or physical intake but more of a mindset. Our bodies are probably adapted to fluctuating inputs. Our minds are however trained to constant inputs. I feel like staying busy and saying no are the best way to shed weight. I could be just speaking from personal experience though.
xenospn 6y ago
I'm like that (I'm skinny and get full very easily - even tho I'm still careful because I'm 40 and any weight I gain now will be increasingly hard to lose), and my friend started gaining weight when he moved to the US a few years ago and it seems his appetite just keeps getting bigger, and he tends to snack right after eating dinner, which I find basically impossible.
freeqaz 6y ago
I keep a bag of raw carrots in the fridge to help with this for myself. The other aspect I've found is with periodic fasting, these urges tend to go away for me. I remember being extremely lethargic before dinner when I had a worse diet (lots of carbs). These days I can easily got 16 hours without any loss of energy. Not sure if that's just changing my diet to be less sugar/carbs or if it is because I exercise more. Either way, I don't struggle with extreme hunger very frequently anymore. Hope that anecdote helps!
mrfusion 6y ago
Have you tried focusing on eating more fat? That’s probably the most important satiety macronutrient. I add avocado oil to lots of meals to get more fat in my diet.
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
  The 20 oz ribeye meal example is going to have plenty of fat. I started a keto diet about a year ago, which has a decent amount of fat. My breakfast is often a Keto Chow shake, which has 47g fat, 9g fiber, 33g protein, and about 600 calories. Some users of Keto Chow report feeling full for hours. I drink one and will still want more.
  - mrfusion 6y ago
    That’s interesting. Maybe a fast would reset things for you. Other ideas I would try would be probiotics. I recently started fasting (2-3 days every two weeks) and it’s been working pretty well. It seems way less miserable than running a calorie deficit every day. I eat normally the other days but I do have to be vigilant not to overeat.
    - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
      Honestly I should just bring it up with my doctor. I'm due to get my A1C rechecked anyways to see how a year of keto has been. After 4 months of keto, my A1C went from 6.4 to 5.6!
rhinoceraptor 6y ago
Fasting periodically might help with that. It helps me distinguish actual hunger from opportunistic/boredom driven hunger.
anthomtb 6y ago
As a fat-guy-turned-skinny-guy, I ask this most respectfully: Are you hungry or are you bored?
- Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
  It's a perfectly valid question. If it only happened while working, certainly I'd attribute it to being bored. But no, it happens even when I'm playing games with my friends and having a blast.
aidenn0 6y ago
Yeah, I literally will never feel full from cereal and milk. I'm not a fast eater, which is probably part of it, but one time I tried to fill up on cereal. It was around lunch time that I ran out of cereal after two full boxes. I had a friend in college who was trying to gain weight, so he copied me with what he put on his tray. The completely expected result was that I finished his food after he was full.

jdironman 6y ago

What I am taking from this...is that fullness isnt a quantitative measure...such as caloric consumption...or physical intake but more of a mindset. Our bodies are probably adapted to fluctuating inputs. Our minds are however trained to constant inputs. I feel like staying busy and saying no are the best way to shed weight. I could be just speaking from personal experience though.

xenospn 6y ago

I'm like that (I'm skinny and get full very easily - even tho I'm still careful because I'm 40 and any weight I gain now will be increasingly hard to lose), and my friend started gaining weight when he moved to the US a few years ago and it seems his appetite just keeps getting bigger, and he tends to snack right after eating dinner, which I find basically impossible.

freeqaz 6y ago

I keep a bag of raw carrots in the fridge to help with this for myself. The other aspect I've found is with periodic fasting, these urges tend to go away for me. I remember being extremely lethargic before dinner when I had a worse diet (lots of carbs). These days I can easily got 16 hours without any loss of energy. Not sure if that's just changing my diet to be less sugar/carbs or if it is because I exercise more. Either way, I don't struggle with extreme hunger very frequently anymore. Hope that anecdote helps!

mrfusion 6y ago

Have you tried focusing on eating more fat? That’s probably the most important satiety macronutrient. I add avocado oil to lots of meals to get more fat in my diet.

Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
The 20 oz ribeye meal example is going to have plenty of fat. I started a keto diet about a year ago, which has a decent amount of fat. My breakfast is often a Keto Chow shake, which has 47g fat, 9g fiber, 33g protein, and about 600 calories. Some users of Keto Chow report feeling full for hours. I drink one and will still want more.
- mrfusion 6y ago
  That’s interesting. Maybe a fast would reset things for you. Other ideas I would try would be probiotics. I recently started fasting (2-3 days every two weeks) and it’s been working pretty well. It seems way less miserable than running a calorie deficit every day. I eat normally the other days but I do have to be vigilant not to overeat.
  - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
    Honestly I should just bring it up with my doctor. I'm due to get my A1C rechecked anyways to see how a year of keto has been. After 4 months of keto, my A1C went from 6.4 to 5.6!

rhinoceraptor 6y ago

Fasting periodically might help with that. It helps me distinguish actual hunger from opportunistic/boredom driven hunger.

anthomtb 6y ago

As a fat-guy-turned-skinny-guy, I ask this most respectfully: Are you hungry or are you bored?

Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
It's a perfectly valid question. If it only happened while working, certainly I'd attribute it to being bored. But no, it happens even when I'm playing games with my friends and having a blast.

aidenn0 6y ago

Yeah, I literally will never feel full from cereal and milk. I'm not a fast eater, which is probably part of it, but one time I tried to fill up on cereal. It was around lunch time that I ran out of cereal after two full boxes. I had a friend in college who was trying to gain weight, so he copied me with what he put on his tray. The completely expected result was that I finished his food after he was full.