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The protestors were not attacked. They have a well established process of “peaceful” used as a shield for provocateurs, as though individuals are not responsibl

The protestors were not attacked. They have a well established process of “peaceful” used as a shield for provocateurs, as though individuals are not responsible for the whole mob. The peaceful have recourse to identify and expel the violent, but don’t. I have major issues with burning a courthouse - the nexus of polite functioning society, the recourse of civilian peace. Burn that, and the recourse for civilian property damage is vigilante violence - don’t go there. What we see is outright insurrection, from mob to mayor, attempting to break our lawful government for an admitted imposition of communism. Don’t go there.

Shared404 6y ago
> The protesters were not attacked. All of the protests started peacefully, including Portland. It was police violence that escalated things in the beginning. I recognize that they were not attacked _at that site_, but they were definitely attacked. > They have a well established process of “peaceful” used as a shield for provocateurs If you are breaking laws you will get hit with the laws. I'm not denying that. No one with their head on straight is calling violent protest peaceful. In addition, there is evidence for PD's/alt-right inciting violence at protests to discredit them. I don't know if this is happening at Portland however. > I have major issues with burning a courthouse ... the recourse of civilian peace. The whole point of the protests is that this recourse has already failed. > What we see is outright insurrection ... for an admitted imposition of communism. While individuals may feel that way, I don't and I'm pretty sure most protesters don't. The fact that some of the leaders have talked about socialized health care A) Doesn't mean that's the point of the protests. B) Isn't communism. By this logic, Trumps support of the white power movement [1] displays on the entire Republican party. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tweets-deletes-protest-video-includes-supporter-yelling/story?id=71501284 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tweets-deletes-protest... Edit: I'm not looking for confrontation here, I'd really like to get a better understanding of the situation. Right now, it really does look to me like the protesters -- not rioters attacking private property -- are in the right.
- ctdonath 6y ago
  The protestors and rioters are largely indistinguishable. The former do not renounce & expel the latter. The former provide cover for the latter. Legally, each individual is culpable for the act of the mob, the mob is culpable for each individual. If you’re part of a violent siege, you’re part if a violent siege. Retreat or be targeted.
  - non-entity 6y ago
    > The former provide cover for the latter. Legally, each individual is culpable for the act of the mob, the mob is culpable for each individual. Exactly! ACAB :)
    - Shared404 6y ago
      No no no. That only applies if you aren't a cop. :) Sarcasm aside, I do think it varies by PD. My local department had zero issues when protests went on, even going so far as to take part, and then _not_ turn right around and start beating people. Seems kinda like a bare minimum, but at least they hit that.
  - Shared404 6y ago
    Out of curiosity, did you even read my response, or are you regurgitating talking points? I offered several refutations(edit:and discussion) about that, which if you'd actually like to respond to I'd be happy to read. If you just want to troll, I don't think we'll be getting much done here.

Shared404 6y ago

> The protesters were not attacked. All of the protests started peacefully, including Portland. It was police violence that escalated things in the beginning. I recognize that they were not attacked _at that site_, but they were definitely attacked. > They have a well established process of “peaceful” used as a shield for provocateurs If you are breaking laws you will get hit with the laws. I'm not denying that. No one with their head on straight is calling violent protest peaceful. In addition, there is evidence for PD's/alt-right inciting violence at protests to discredit them. I don't know if this is happening at Portland however. > I have major issues with burning a courthouse ... the recourse of civilian peace. The whole point of the protests is that this recourse has already failed. > What we see is outright insurrection ... for an admitted imposition of communism. While individuals may feel that way, I don't and I'm pretty sure most protesters don't. The fact that some of the leaders have talked about socialized health care A) Doesn't mean that's the point of the protests. B) Isn't communism. By this logic, Trumps support of the white power movement [1] displays on the entire Republican party. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tweets-deletes-protest-video-includes-supporter-yelling/story?id=71501284 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tweets-deletes-protest... Edit: I'm not looking for confrontation here, I'd really like to get a better understanding of the situation. Right now, it really does look to me like the protesters -- not rioters attacking private property -- are in the right.

ctdonath 6y ago
The protestors and rioters are largely indistinguishable. The former do not renounce & expel the latter. The former provide cover for the latter. Legally, each individual is culpable for the act of the mob, the mob is culpable for each individual. If you’re part of a violent siege, you’re part if a violent siege. Retreat or be targeted.
- non-entity 6y ago
  > The former provide cover for the latter. Legally, each individual is culpable for the act of the mob, the mob is culpable for each individual. Exactly! ACAB :)
  - Shared404 6y ago
    No no no. That only applies if you aren't a cop. :) Sarcasm aside, I do think it varies by PD. My local department had zero issues when protests went on, even going so far as to take part, and then _not_ turn right around and start beating people. Seems kinda like a bare minimum, but at least they hit that.
- Shared404 6y ago
  Out of curiosity, did you even read my response, or are you regurgitating talking points? I offered several refutations(edit:and discussion) about that, which if you'd actually like to respond to I'd be happy to read. If you just want to troll, I don't think we'll be getting much done here.