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Would you have sources backing this up?

by tleb_ 6y ago

jzoch 6y ago
Talk to an apple engineer. Its not hidden knowledge but not something that really requires a citation...
banachtarski 6y ago
The claim should be completely indisputable. It's well known that teams within Apple are not privy to the roadmaps of other teams, even teams working on a different aspect of the same project.
- bastardoperator 6y ago
  Lot of secret projects and buildings in SJC that belong to apple. No Apple logos, sign an NDA in the lobby, meet in conference room outside the working area. It is indisputable.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    They are also usually fairly easy to spot by their lack of external markings and the people entering or leaving the building ;)
- scarface74 6y ago
  Which is completely different from Amazon, I’m not even considered an SDE - I am a consultant at AWS - I can get read only access to source code of services if I request it.
Austin_Conlon 6y ago
The downvotes must be coming from asking about the latter point since it's clearly institutionalized. The former is interesting to ask about though, how is keeping product roadmaps a competitive advantage in Apple's case? Which teams is this especially so, and on which products is it in their interest for the roadmap to be out in the open?
quadrangle 6y ago
If you want the full-blown thing, there's a whole book called "Inside Apple" which details the whole long-term extremely secretive nature of their business (this was back from the Steve Jobs era). Apple is similar to Disney in their core business model being anti-golden-rule. Not "treat others as you would like to be treated" but "treat others as you want to treat them, and insist they treat you as you want". Don't care about respecting others' trademarks or ideas, take creative bits from everyone, be super vigilant and protective (even antagonistic) about anyone else who uses any of your ideas.

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Would you have sources backing this up?

by tleb_ 6y ago

Would you have sources backing this up?

jzoch 6y ago
Talk to an apple engineer. Its not hidden knowledge but not something that really requires a citation...
banachtarski 6y ago
The claim should be completely indisputable. It's well known that teams within Apple are not privy to the roadmaps of other teams, even teams working on a different aspect of the same project.
- bastardoperator 6y ago
  Lot of secret projects and buildings in SJC that belong to apple. No Apple logos, sign an NDA in the lobby, meet in conference room outside the working area. It is indisputable.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    They are also usually fairly easy to spot by their lack of external markings and the people entering or leaving the building ;)
- scarface74 6y ago
  Which is completely different from Amazon, I’m not even considered an SDE - I am a consultant at AWS - I can get read only access to source code of services if I request it.
Austin_Conlon 6y ago
The downvotes must be coming from asking about the latter point since it's clearly institutionalized. The former is interesting to ask about though, how is keeping product roadmaps a competitive advantage in Apple's case? Which teams is this especially so, and on which products is it in their interest for the roadmap to be out in the open?
quadrangle 6y ago
If you want the full-blown thing, there's a whole book called "Inside Apple" which details the whole long-term extremely secretive nature of their business (this was back from the Steve Jobs era). Apple is similar to Disney in their core business model being anti-golden-rule. Not "treat others as you would like to be treated" but "treat others as you want to treat them, and insist they treat you as you want". Don't care about respecting others' trademarks or ideas, take creative bits from everyone, be super vigilant and protective (even antagonistic) about anyone else who uses any of your ideas.