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So pornhub helped to find the girl and catch the trafficker. What's the ethical issue with pornhub here?

by chr1 6y ago

uxcolumbo 6y ago
Did you read the text? One of the abused girls asked PH to take down that video for months. And it's not just that girl - here let me highlight another bit of text from the campaign site. "Likewise, the Sunday Times investigation into Pornhub reported finding "dozens" of illegal abuse videos within "minutes", including abuse images of children as young as three years old. Some of the videos identified by the newspaper's investigation "had 350,000 views and had been on the platform for more than three years." It went on to say "three of the worst clips still remained on the site 24 hours later."
- wolco 6y ago
  Wouldn't a dmca request take down the video in 24 hours?
- chr1 6y ago
  I did, but i did not see any harm done by not removing the videos, only effect it had was helping to find the girl.
  - uxcolumbo 6y ago
    Good to know you don't see any harm done by not removing videos of 'abuse images of children as young as three years old'.
    - chr1 6y ago
      If we temporarily put aside the question of me being a monster, is there any evidence that fighting with the images helps in any way to prevent the actual crime? People playing violent video games do not go to the street killing people as a result of that, if anything they become less likely to get involved in actual crime. Do you expect someone accidentally seeing such a video to be "converted" by it and to attempt to do such things himself, or do you see some other harm done by not removing these videos? FYI i do not support watching porn, using drugs, drinking alcohol, and all the other things that used to be frowned upon by different religions, but trying to prevent such thought-crimes and self-harm crimes by law instead of persuasion have always caused more harm than good.
      - uxcolumbo 6y ago
        I think you missed the point. This has nothing to do with thought police or trying to ban porn itself. It's not about the viewer becoming an abuser him/herself. It's about creating porn with people who are being abused, exploited and trafficked. It doesn't necessarily have to be a violent porn video. This is about the owners of those porn platforms having to take this issue more seriously - which they didn't according the investigations, i.e. profit is more important than investing more money in their platform to detect and take down those videos with trafficked and exploited people.
        chr1 6y ago
        I understand that, what i don't understand is why do people consider deleting a number so important. No matter how was it obtained, it's just a number and deleting it doesn't benefit anyone. (Arguably leaving it online may even help, as it will make new videos of the same kind less profitable.) Hopefully in a few years, when neural nets will be able to generate such videos with anyone, people will stop obsessing over deleting numbers.

So pornhub helped to find the girl and catch the trafficker. What's the ethical issue with pornhub here?

by chr1 6y ago

So pornhub helped to find the girl and catch the trafficker. What's the ethical issue with pornhub here?

Did you read the text? One of the abused girls asked PH to take down that video for months. And it's not just that girl - here let me highlight another bit of text from the campaign site. "Likewise, the Sunday Times investigation into Pornhub reported finding "dozens" of illegal abuse videos within "minutes", including abuse images of children as young as three years old. Some of the videos identified by the newspaper's investigation "had 350,000 views and had been on the platform for more than three years." It went on to say "three of the worst clips still remained on the site 24 hours later."

wolco 6y ago
Wouldn't a dmca request take down the video in 24 hours?
chr1 6y ago
I did, but i did not see any harm done by not removing the videos, only effect it had was helping to find the girl.
- uxcolumbo 6y ago
  Good to know you don't see any harm done by not removing videos of 'abuse images of children as young as three years old'.
  - chr1 6y ago
    If we temporarily put aside the question of me being a monster, is there any evidence that fighting with the images helps in any way to prevent the actual crime? People playing violent video games do not go to the street killing people as a result of that, if anything they become less likely to get involved in actual crime. Do you expect someone accidentally seeing such a video to be "converted" by it and to attempt to do such things himself, or do you see some other harm done by not removing these videos? FYI i do not support watching porn, using drugs, drinking alcohol, and all the other things that used to be frowned upon by different religions, but trying to prevent such thought-crimes and self-harm crimes by law instead of persuasion have always caused more harm than good.
    - uxcolumbo 6y ago
      I think you missed the point. This has nothing to do with thought police or trying to ban porn itself. It's not about the viewer becoming an abuser him/herself. It's about creating porn with people who are being abused, exploited and trafficked. It doesn't necessarily have to be a violent porn video. This is about the owners of those porn platforms having to take this issue more seriously - which they didn't according the investigations, i.e. profit is more important than investing more money in their platform to detect and take down those videos with trafficked and exploited people.
      - chr1 6y ago
        I understand that, what i don't understand is why do people consider deleting a number so important. No matter how was it obtained, it's just a number and deleting it doesn't benefit anyone. (Arguably leaving it online may even help, as it will make new videos of the same kind less profitable.) Hopefully in a few years, when neural nets will be able to generate such videos with anyone, people will stop obsessing over deleting numbers.