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I think you are mistaken in several of your assumptions. The official autopsy literally labels George Floyd's death a homicide: > But the report released later

I think you are mistaken in several of your assumptions. The official autopsy literally labels George Floyd's death a homicide: > But the report released later Monday by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's office said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression." The manner of death was ruled homicide, but the office noted that "is not a legal determination of culpability or intent." [emphasis mine] And it's another mistake to assume that the county medical office is "independent," as I think you are suggesting. They work for the same municipal government that employed the police officer who killed George Floyd, the same entity that would be subject to a lawsuit for his wrongful death. They have a clear financial and reputational incentive to find that Derek Chauvin did not intentionally kill George Floyd. The issue of motivation is not a "problem" in any sense. To answer your question, "What possible reason could Derek Chauvin have to murder George Floyd?", you might ask what reason an NYPD officer had to choke Erik Garner to death with a baton, to take just one example of the police killing an unarmed black man. Having said that, Derek Chauvin and George Floyd both worked security at the same night club during the same time period, with overlapping shifts, so Chauvin may have had specific motivation to attack him. But recent history has many examples of police assaulting and even killing Black Americans for no discernable reason. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-autopsies-homicide-axphyxiation-details/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-autopsies-ho... https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/502006-george-floyd-and-derek-chauvin-bumped-heads-while-working https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/502006...

rcoveson 6y ago
> The official autopsy literally labels George Floyd's death a homicide Are we reading the same report? The link in GP doesn't contain the word "homicide". In fact I can't find anything in it stating a cause of death. It looks to be nothing but observations. I'm left confused by the CBS News link. I doubt they infer that "The manner of death was ruled a homicide" (which was not a quote) from the autopsy case title, quote, "Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression". It seems more likely that there is another source; that the homicide ruling was made by a different entity (besides the medical examiner's office), or at least by a different document (not the autopsy report). EDIT: The document stating that the manner of death was homicide was a press release from the medical examiner's office[1]. 1: https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/...
- it 6y ago
  It's bizarre considering that the autopsy itself does not appear to contain any evidence of homicide. Edit: They took the autopsy document down from their website. The link used to be hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf.
  - rcoveson 6y ago
    I hope what you mean to say is that the autopsy itself does not contain _conclusive_ evidence of homicide. Mere evidence of homicide abounds. Of note in particular is the presence of a knee on the deceased's neck in the moments leading up to death.
it 6y ago
> The manner of death was ruled homicide Nowhere in the Hennepin County autopsy does it say "homicide". https://bit.ly/2YQiNSG https://bit.ly/2YQiNSG. The title is unclear. I said "independent" in quotes because I was talking about the autopsy that was commissioned by Floyd's family. Of course I do not think the one commissioned by Floyd's family is independent at all. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-family-minneapolis-police-to-release-results-of-own-autopsy/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-family-m.... > [The county medical office] have a clear financial and reputational incentive to find that Derek Chauvin did not intentionally kill George Floyd. Are you saying they made up the meth and possibly lethal level of fentanyl in Floyd's system? Those would explain why he was reportedly "not in control of himself". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd
- teachrdan 6y ago
  This[0] was the result of about a minute of Googling: > Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression > Manner of death: Homicide As for "independence," the question is how one could consider the county medical examiner to be independent, when they work for the same municipal government that employs the man who is accused of killing George Floyd. It is possible that drug use contributed to George Floyd's death. But that doesn't matter, because according to US law, "the unexpected frailty of the injured person is not a valid defense to the seriousness of any injury caused to them."[1] 0. https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

rcoveson 6y ago

> The official autopsy literally labels George Floyd's death a homicide Are we reading the same report? The link in GP doesn't contain the word "homicide". In fact I can't find anything in it stating a cause of death. It looks to be nothing but observations. I'm left confused by the CBS News link. I doubt they infer that "The manner of death was ruled a homicide" (which was not a quote) from the autopsy case title, quote, "Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression". It seems more likely that there is another source; that the homicide ruling was made by a different entity (besides the medical examiner's office), or at least by a different document (not the autopsy report). EDIT: The document stating that the manner of death was homicide was a press release from the medical examiner's office[1]. 1: https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/...

it 6y ago
It's bizarre considering that the autopsy itself does not appear to contain any evidence of homicide. Edit: They took the autopsy document down from their website. The link used to be hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf.
- rcoveson 6y ago
  I hope what you mean to say is that the autopsy itself does not contain _conclusive_ evidence of homicide. Mere evidence of homicide abounds. Of note in particular is the presence of a knee on the deceased's neck in the moments leading up to death.

it 6y ago

> The manner of death was ruled homicide Nowhere in the Hennepin County autopsy does it say "homicide". https://bit.ly/2YQiNSG https://bit.ly/2YQiNSG. The title is unclear. I said "independent" in quotes because I was talking about the autopsy that was commissioned by Floyd's family. Of course I do not think the one commissioned by Floyd's family is independent at all. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-family-minneapolis-police-to-release-results-of-own-autopsy/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/01/george-floyd-family-m.... > [The county medical office] have a clear financial and reputational incentive to find that Derek Chauvin did not intentionally kill George Floyd. Are you saying they made up the meth and possibly lethal level of fentanyl in Floyd's system? Those would explain why he was reportedly "not in control of himself". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_George_Floyd

teachrdan 6y ago
This[0] was the result of about a minute of Googling: > Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression > Manner of death: Homicide As for "independence," the question is how one could consider the county medical examiner to be independent, when they work for the same municipal government that employs the man who is accused of killing George Floyd. It is possible that drug use contributed to George Floyd's death. But that doesn't matter, because according to US law, "the unexpected frailty of the injured person is not a valid defense to the seriousness of any injury caused to them."[1] 0. https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull