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Respectfully, Could you link to the documents you were referring to? I feel like a trend I see is folks say to go out on their own to find some document that p

by kop316 6y ago

Respectfully, Could you link to the documents you were referring to? I feel like a trend I see is folks say to go out on their own to find some document that proves their point. There are several statements by the WHO on those dates, and I do not know which one you mean. I have unfortunately seen the trend also where someone does link a source that is very lengthy and same thing. In one case, the source actually contradicted the person citing it. I am not accusing you of that, merely it makes your argument much more credible when it is easy to see where you cited your sources.

iso1631 6y ago
Wikipedia has 3 clear link from Jan 14th - the Telegraph (UK), Straits Times (Singapore) and Reuters, all conveying the quote that there was indeed human to human spreading, but at the time it seemed limited. Which is right. The WHO further said "It is still early days, we don’t have a clear clinical picture." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-pneumonia-who-idUSKBN1ZD16J https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-pneumonia-wh...
- kop316 6y ago
  Fair enough....but the grandparent comment said "Go back and actually read the full set of WHO statements". I only found two WHO statements, and they are discussing the minutes of emergency meetongs on COVID in January. Are those what they are referring to? If so, which one?
  - iso1631 6y ago
    Here's a statement from Jan 9th https://web.archive.org/web/20200115194156/https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china https://web.archive.org/web/20200115194156/https://www.who.i... "Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses with some causing less-severe disease, such as the common cold, and others more severe disease such as MERS and SARS. Some transmit easily from person to person, while others do not. According to Chinese authorities, the virus in question can cause severe illness in some patients and does not transmit readily between people" That seems very responsible reporting given that only 10 days after being made aware of it, WHO wouldn't have been able to gather any independent evidence. They said it could transmit easily from person to person, but it might not. Statement on Jan 13th https://web.archive.org/web/20200115230651/https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/13-01-2020-who-statement-on-novel-coronavirus-in-thailand https://web.archive.org/web/20200115230651/https://www.who.i... Certainly doesn't say anything along the lines of "there will be no human-human transmission", just calls (which were mostly unheeded in the west) for active monitoring and preparedness Taiwan didn't get a first case until Jan 21st, which was someone who travelled from Wuhan. It wasn't until Jan 28th they had a domestic case which wasn't linked to Wuhan, so expecting the WHO to have independent evidence in mid January isn't realistic. They reported the evidence they had and pleaded with the world to take it seriously. Taiwan listened, Europe and America didn't.

by kop316 6y ago

iso1631 6y ago

Wikipedia has 3 clear link from Jan 14th - the Telegraph (UK), Straits Times (Singapore) and Reuters, all conveying the quote that there was indeed human to human spreading, but at the time it seemed limited. Which is right. The WHO further said "It is still early days, we don’t have a clear clinical picture." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-pneumonia-who-idUSKBN1ZD16J https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-pneumonia-wh...

kop316 6y ago
Fair enough....but the grandparent comment said "Go back and actually read the full set of WHO statements". I only found two WHO statements, and they are discussing the minutes of emergency meetongs on COVID in January. Are those what they are referring to? If so, which one?
- iso1631 6y ago
  Here's a statement from Jan 9th https://web.archive.org/web/20200115194156/https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china https://web.archive.org/web/20200115194156/https://www.who.i... "Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses with some causing less-severe disease, such as the common cold, and others more severe disease such as MERS and SARS. Some transmit easily from person to person, while others do not. According to Chinese authorities, the virus in question can cause severe illness in some patients and does not transmit readily between people" That seems very responsible reporting given that only 10 days after being made aware of it, WHO wouldn't have been able to gather any independent evidence. They said it could transmit easily from person to person, but it might not. Statement on Jan 13th https://web.archive.org/web/20200115230651/https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/13-01-2020-who-statement-on-novel-coronavirus-in-thailand https://web.archive.org/web/20200115230651/https://www.who.i... Certainly doesn't say anything along the lines of "there will be no human-human transmission", just calls (which were mostly unheeded in the west) for active monitoring and preparedness Taiwan didn't get a first case until Jan 21st, which was someone who travelled from Wuhan. It wasn't until Jan 28th they had a domestic case which wasn't linked to Wuhan, so expecting the WHO to have independent evidence in mid January isn't realistic. They reported the evidence they had and pleaded with the world to take it seriously. Taiwan listened, Europe and America didn't.