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Its not easy to switch back anymore and breaks a lot of functionality if you do. But its crazy that you have to accept serious UI/UX changes to get security fi

by ProAm 6y ago

Its not easy to switch back anymore and breaks a lot of functionality if you do. But its crazy that you have to accept serious UI/UX changes to get security fixes too.

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unethical_ban 6y ago
How? "Preferences > Search > Search Bar" allows you to add back the separate bar. And you can toggle search suggestions in the address bar as well. I don't see how that breaks anything or that it is a "serious UI change". And finally, the security implications of search suggestions in the address bar are debatable for the end user.
- ProAm 6y ago
  Im talking more about the megabar, not the unified search and address bar (which also has its own issues) And the security patches for FF are bundles with the release, so if you want security fixes you also HAVE to take whatever UI or feature changes FF put into the browser. You shouldnt force users to relearn functionality for a piece of utility software in order to get fixes for CVEs. I understand its easier for them, but having to retrain people every couple of weeks because there is a new FF release isn't ideal.
  - rurp 6y ago
    > You shouldnt force users to relearn functionality for a piece of utility software in order to get fixes for CVEs. Yes, exactly. The amount of UI/UX churn in Firefox is pretty crazy and I'm sure discourages some number of people from updating regularly. Mozilla "fixed" that issue on the desktop versions by completely removing the easy options for letting users decide for themselves when to update, rather than just making auto-updates the default. I just don't get it. Does Mozilla have a problem with too many developers and needing to invent things to keep them occupied with?
boogies 6y ago
What functionality does it break? > But its crazy that you have to accept serious UI/UX changes to get security fixes too. It is sad, but it basically seems par for the course for big, semi-commercial software. I don't like Mozilla, but I appreciate them making an alternative to the massive Chrome near-monopoly that's not only just as fast and lighter but competitively easy to use for normal people. I personally switched to Waterfox years ago, and Pale Moon not long after that. It receives some security fixes slightly after FF (they're fixed after Mozilla publishes the issue), but some of them are not applicable (http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml) . Overall, to me then Pentadactyl is worth worse than that, and I think you might love the UI.
- ProAm 6y ago
  > It is sad, but it basically seems par for the course for big, semi-commercial software I totally get why they do it too, Im a big Mozilla fan and have been for a long time. Im glad there is browser competition, I love their take on Add-ons and allowing the user to make decisions for themselves. They are fighting the good fight, Im just expressing my opinions on things I don't like, but Im still going to use FF. I did stop upgrading with version 76 because it was just too much change and disruptive enough for me to downgrade and turn off the installer. Ive never seen Pentadactyl, Ill check it out.

by ProAm 6y ago

Its not easy to switch back anymore and breaks a lot of functionality if you do. But its crazy that you have to accept serious UI/UX changes to get security fixes too.

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unethical_ban 6y ago

How? "Preferences > Search > Search Bar" allows you to add back the separate bar. And you can toggle search suggestions in the address bar as well. I don't see how that breaks anything or that it is a "serious UI change". And finally, the security implications of search suggestions in the address bar are debatable for the end user.

ProAm 6y ago
Im talking more about the megabar, not the unified search and address bar (which also has its own issues) And the security patches for FF are bundles with the release, so if you want security fixes you also HAVE to take whatever UI or feature changes FF put into the browser. You shouldnt force users to relearn functionality for a piece of utility software in order to get fixes for CVEs. I understand its easier for them, but having to retrain people every couple of weeks because there is a new FF release isn't ideal.
- rurp 6y ago
  > You shouldnt force users to relearn functionality for a piece of utility software in order to get fixes for CVEs. Yes, exactly. The amount of UI/UX churn in Firefox is pretty crazy and I'm sure discourages some number of people from updating regularly. Mozilla "fixed" that issue on the desktop versions by completely removing the easy options for letting users decide for themselves when to update, rather than just making auto-updates the default. I just don't get it. Does Mozilla have a problem with too many developers and needing to invent things to keep them occupied with?

boogies 6y ago

What functionality does it break? > But its crazy that you have to accept serious UI/UX changes to get security fixes too. It is sad, but it basically seems par for the course for big, semi-commercial software. I don't like Mozilla, but I appreciate them making an alternative to the massive Chrome near-monopoly that's not only just as fast and lighter but competitively easy to use for normal people. I personally switched to Waterfox years ago, and Pale Moon not long after that. It receives some security fixes slightly after FF (they're fixed after Mozilla publishes the issue), but some of them are not applicable (http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml) . Overall, to me then Pentadactyl is worth worse than that, and I think you might love the UI.

ProAm 6y ago
> It is sad, but it basically seems par for the course for big, semi-commercial software I totally get why they do it too, Im a big Mozilla fan and have been for a long time. Im glad there is browser competition, I love their take on Add-ons and allowing the user to make decisions for themselves. They are fighting the good fight, Im just expressing my opinions on things I don't like, but Im still going to use FF. I did stop upgrading with version 76 because it was just too much change and disruptive enough for me to downgrade and turn off the installer. Ive never seen Pentadactyl, Ill check it out.