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Yeah I don’t really get the influx of nationalistic clickbait on HN lately... it’s super bizarre

by jjcon 6y ago

fermienrico 6y ago
The world feels like its falling apart with nationalism. Journalists should be more uniting and bring the world together, instead they're chasing what the readers want - a spice mix that gets people high on nationlism. Don't worry, we've got a whole load of it right here in US as well. Remember the pale blue dot? That pale blue dot is festered with a disease, and that's not just COVID-19.
- jjcon 6y ago
  I hope a couple years from now we look back on these times with a lessons learned mentality and a stronger sense of fellowship as a world. If we can get here I know we can get out, I just dearly hope it is sooner rather than later.
DoreenMichele 6y ago
The US has a lot of issues that are not the norm for wealthy, developed countries. Some ways of talking about that are more socially acceptable and/or more effective than others. It's generally not acceptable to say things like "The third world country of America." Most people don't have much sympathy for poor Americans. But travel restrictions are an issue that will mostly impact well-heeled Americans. So I see this title as code for "Your country is so in the toilet, it's actually starting to hurt the rich people, you fools! Maybe you should finally bother to do something about it!" It's not PC and not socially acceptable to express ideas like that more baldly. It's much more acceptable to post articles like this one that say the same thing more implicitly about topics people with money might actually personally care about.
- jjcon 6y ago
  I know your really just trolling and it doesn’t really matter cause this whole thread was removed by the mods anyway for breaking the rules... but if you really think that the richest country in the world needs so much help I think you should get out of whatever bubble you are in and examine some material facts. Do they have issues absolutely yes but so does every country. US, Europeans, nobody can travel everywhere right now. Furthermore the US is doing better on coronavirus than plenty of countries per capita (Belgium, Italy, France, Sweden, UK for starters). The world is particularly stressful right now but that doesn’t mean we should result to nationalistic flame bait. We’re stronger with the US, democratic nations should stick together not bicker endlessly.
  - DoreenMichele 6y ago
    I wasn't trolling. The US is one of only a few countries without maternity leave. The others are extremely poor. Most developed countries have some kind of national healthcare coverage. Our employer-based insurance has all kinds of problems associated with it. Etc. You sound like you aren't American (with referring to it as "they"). I am American and spent nearly six years homeless and got to see the dark underbelly and how very hard we intentionally make it for people when something goes wrong. Most other developed countries seem to do a better job of helping people when something goes wrong.
    - jjcon 6y ago
      >The US is one of only a few countries without maternity leave. That is at best misleading - see Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993. The EU passed similar legislation in the same year. Plenty of EU nations have passed stricter laws and so have plenty of US states. > I am American and spent nearly six years homeless and got to see the dark underbelly and how very hard we intentionally make it for people when something goes wrong. I am sorry you went through that but things aren't all roses outside of the states. People get pushed aside and fall through the cracks in every country. A bad experience doesn't change the overall facts here though. >Our employer-based insurance has all kinds of problems associated with it. Agreed - problems that are being actively debated and worked on. They can't be fixed overnight but they can and will be overcome in time. I too have spent quite a bit of time in the US. If I recall it was only in the past year or two that the majority of Americans said they would support Universal healthcare. Americans have different values and those values are shifting, many would say towards more compassionate stances which is probably good. Different values from you or I doesn't mean bad though.

Yeah I don’t really get the influx of nationalistic clickbait on HN lately... it’s super bizarre

by jjcon 6y ago

Yeah I don’t really get the influx of nationalistic clickbait on HN lately... it’s super bizarre

The world feels like its falling apart with nationalism. Journalists should be more uniting and bring the world together, instead they're chasing what the readers want - a spice mix that gets people high on nationlism. Don't worry, we've got a whole load of it right here in US as well. Remember the pale blue dot? That pale blue dot is festered with a disease, and that's not just COVID-19.

jjcon 6y ago
I hope a couple years from now we look back on these times with a lessons learned mentality and a stronger sense of fellowship as a world. If we can get here I know we can get out, I just dearly hope it is sooner rather than later.

DoreenMichele 6y ago

The US has a lot of issues that are not the norm for wealthy, developed countries. Some ways of talking about that are more socially acceptable and/or more effective than others. It's generally not acceptable to say things like "The third world country of America." Most people don't have much sympathy for poor Americans. But travel restrictions are an issue that will mostly impact well-heeled Americans. So I see this title as code for "Your country is so in the toilet, it's actually starting to hurt the rich people, you fools! Maybe you should finally bother to do something about it!" It's not PC and not socially acceptable to express ideas like that more baldly. It's much more acceptable to post articles like this one that say the same thing more implicitly about topics people with money might actually personally care about.

jjcon 6y ago
I know your really just trolling and it doesn’t really matter cause this whole thread was removed by the mods anyway for breaking the rules... but if you really think that the richest country in the world needs so much help I think you should get out of whatever bubble you are in and examine some material facts. Do they have issues absolutely yes but so does every country. US, Europeans, nobody can travel everywhere right now. Furthermore the US is doing better on coronavirus than plenty of countries per capita (Belgium, Italy, France, Sweden, UK for starters). The world is particularly stressful right now but that doesn’t mean we should result to nationalistic flame bait. We’re stronger with the US, democratic nations should stick together not bicker endlessly.
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  I wasn't trolling. The US is one of only a few countries without maternity leave. The others are extremely poor. Most developed countries have some kind of national healthcare coverage. Our employer-based insurance has all kinds of problems associated with it. Etc. You sound like you aren't American (with referring to it as "they"). I am American and spent nearly six years homeless and got to see the dark underbelly and how very hard we intentionally make it for people when something goes wrong. Most other developed countries seem to do a better job of helping people when something goes wrong.
  - jjcon 6y ago
    >The US is one of only a few countries without maternity leave. That is at best misleading - see Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993. The EU passed similar legislation in the same year. Plenty of EU nations have passed stricter laws and so have plenty of US states. > I am American and spent nearly six years homeless and got to see the dark underbelly and how very hard we intentionally make it for people when something goes wrong. I am sorry you went through that but things aren't all roses outside of the states. People get pushed aside and fall through the cracks in every country. A bad experience doesn't change the overall facts here though. >Our employer-based insurance has all kinds of problems associated with it. Agreed - problems that are being actively debated and worked on. They can't be fixed overnight but they can and will be overcome in time. I too have spent quite a bit of time in the US. If I recall it was only in the past year or two that the majority of Americans said they would support Universal healthcare. Americans have different values and those values are shifting, many would say towards more compassionate stances which is probably good. Different values from you or I doesn't mean bad though.