Curious how those would be framed as lost or statement personally. Both have had long occupations, but you have to toy with the definition of winning to frame e

Curious how those would be framed as lost or statement personally. Both have had long occupations, but you have to toy with the definition of winning to frame either of these as a loss/statement. The major theaters were decidedly over in a very short period. Unless you need winning to mean annihilate or getting everyone to agree on things, those were both won quickly.