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This take doesn't deserve the upvotes it's getting. I would be surprised if you can provide sources for any of these outlandish factual claims. Singapore arres

This take doesn't deserve the upvotes it's getting. I would be surprised if you can provide sources for any of these outlandish factual claims. Singapore arrested and caned the child of a US Ambassador in 1994. We didn't threaten to invade them. The US didn't use imprisoning or detaining travelers as a pretext for any war in the 20th century that I'm aware of. The US did not lose respect in the world because we aren't winning enough wars, or somehow because of something Obama did (really?).

Fiveplus 6y ago
>This take doesn't deserve the upvotes it's getting But it sounds good and that feel-good-factor was what the parent comment was trying to evoke. I'd say they succeeded momentarily.
nimbius 6y ago
I politely disagree. in response to the caning, the US effectively shut down the Singapore summit that year. It was a blow to their ability to affect international trade in the context of the WTO. https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19940510&slug=1909859 https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19940510&slug...
- landryraccoon 6y ago
  So, in response to the arrest and caning of the son of the US Ambassador to Singapore, the US retaliated with some temporary blow to their trade? That sounds way less extreme than what the OP suggests. If the US didn't threaten invasion over the detention of a family member of their embassy, I doubt they would do much for some random citizen that ran afoul of law enforcement in another country.
viking1066 6y ago
I need to take a slight exception to "did not lose respect". In an interview, Lee Kuan Yew said he felt very pained with Clinton's lack of dignity in interjecting himself into something as petty as a vandalism case, and as a face saving measure for Clinton reduced the penalty from 6 to 4 lashes. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/spare-the-rod-spoil-the-c_b_8012770 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/spare-the-rod-spoil-the-c_b_8... I don't have the exact reference to this told from Lee's side much later, but the above story tells of Clinton's involvement.

Fiveplus 6y ago

>This take doesn't deserve the upvotes it's getting But it sounds good and that feel-good-factor was what the parent comment was trying to evoke. I'd say they succeeded momentarily.

nimbius 6y ago

I politely disagree. in response to the caning, the US effectively shut down the Singapore summit that year. It was a blow to their ability to affect international trade in the context of the WTO. https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19940510&slug=1909859 https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19940510&slug...

landryraccoon 6y ago
So, in response to the arrest and caning of the son of the US Ambassador to Singapore, the US retaliated with some temporary blow to their trade? That sounds way less extreme than what the OP suggests. If the US didn't threaten invasion over the detention of a family member of their embassy, I doubt they would do much for some random citizen that ran afoul of law enforcement in another country.

viking1066 6y ago

I need to take a slight exception to "did not lose respect". In an interview, Lee Kuan Yew said he felt very pained with Clinton's lack of dignity in interjecting himself into something as petty as a vandalism case, and as a face saving measure for Clinton reduced the penalty from 6 to 4 lashes. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/spare-the-rod-spoil-the-c_b_8012770 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/spare-the-rod-spoil-the-c_b_8... I don't have the exact reference to this told from Lee's side much later, but the above story tells of Clinton's involvement.