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Hopefully they changed the address bar back to be non-Chromeified.

by ProAm 6y ago

boogies 6y ago
Haven't used it in a while, but when I did it was always easy to switch the behavior (for a power user, and I think the omnibar is much more appealing to non power users as it's visually simpler, big, and easier to click — unifying the search and address bar is what you're talking about, right?).
- MaxBarraclough 6y ago
  I think they're referring to the browser hiding parts of the URL, the way Chrome does. Unthinkingly following Chrome, Firefox started doing this too. To my knowledge, Firefox still defaults to doing this, but I could be mistaken. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/879926 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/879926
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- ProAm 6y ago
  Its not easy to switch back anymore and breaks a lot of functionality if you do. But its crazy that you have to accept serious UI/UX changes to get security fixes too.
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  - unethical_ban 6y ago
    How? "Preferences > Search > Search Bar" allows you to add back the separate bar. And you can toggle search suggestions in the address bar as well. I don't see how that breaks anything or that it is a "serious UI change". And finally, the security implications of search suggestions in the address bar are debatable for the end user.
    - ProAm 6y ago
      Im talking more about the megabar, not the unified search and address bar (which also has its own issues) And the security patches for FF are bundles with the release, so if you want security fixes you also HAVE to take whatever UI or feature changes FF put into the browser. You shouldnt force users to relearn functionality for a piece of utility software in order to get fixes for CVEs. I understand its easier for them, but having to retrain people every couple of weeks because there is a new FF release isn't ideal.
      - rurp 6y ago
        > You shouldnt force users to relearn functionality for a piece of utility software in order to get fixes for CVEs. Yes, exactly. The amount of UI/UX churn in Firefox is pretty crazy and I'm sure discourages some number of people from updating regularly. Mozilla "fixed" that issue on the desktop versions by completely removing the easy options for letting users decide for themselves when to update, rather than just making auto-updates the default. I just don't get it. Does Mozilla have a problem with too many developers and needing to invent things to keep them occupied with?
  - boogies 6y ago
    What functionality does it break? > But its crazy that you have to accept serious UI/UX changes to get security fixes too. It is sad, but it basically seems par for the course for big, semi-commercial software. I don't like Mozilla, but I appreciate them making an alternative to the massive Chrome near-monopoly that's not only just as fast and lighter but competitively easy to use for normal people. I personally switched to Waterfox years ago, and Pale Moon not long after that. It receives some security fixes slightly after FF (they're fixed after Mozilla publishes the issue), but some of them are not applicable (http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml) . Overall, to me then Pentadactyl is worth worse than that, and I think you might love the UI.
    - ProAm 6y ago
      > It is sad, but it basically seems par for the course for big, semi-commercial software I totally get why they do it too, Im a big Mozilla fan and have been for a long time. Im glad there is browser competition, I love their take on Add-ons and allowing the user to make decisions for themselves. They are fighting the good fight, Im just expressing my opinions on things I don't like, but Im still going to use FF. I did stop upgrading with version 76 because it was just too much change and disruptive enough for me to downgrade and turn off the installer. Ive never seen Pentadactyl, Ill check it out.
- rurp 6y ago
  > for a power user, and I think the omnibar is much more appealing to non power users as it's visually simpler, big, and easier to click This is interesting, I always figured it was the opposite. Many casual users don't know or care much about the difference between a search bar and a url bar and just want to type something in and get a result. Personally though I prefer having separate search and url fields because the actions are more precise. On more than a couple occasions I've tried to make a web search in Chrome's url bar that the browser insisted was a nonsensical url. I know there's a flag to enforce one behavior or the other, but I can't ever remember it and honestly don't feel like having to memorize magic words to get basic functionality working.
  - soperj 6y ago
    Do you have a keyboard short cut to get to the search field as well as alt-d to get to the url bar?
    - spacehunt 6y ago
      Ctrl-K goes to the search field. It's easy to remember because the shortcut for the URL/Omnibar is more often cited as Ctrl-L.
      - AnonHP 6y ago
        That’s right. The Alt+d shortcut, that the GP is referring to, to reach the address bar is an old carryover from Internet Explorer.
    - sbierwagen 6y ago
      Ctrl+E, same as in Outlook.
  - tempestn 6y ago
    Another nice thing about having them separate is you can set the search bar to automatically open in a new tab, whereas the main url bar replaces the current page.
DragoCubed 6y ago
I don't mind the narrower results but the address bar becoming larger when its focused is pretty weird.

Hopefully they changed the address bar back to be non-Chromeified.

by ProAm 6y ago

Hopefully they changed the address bar back to be non-Chromeified.

Haven't used it in a while, but when I did it was always easy to switch the behavior (for a power user, and I think the omnibar is much more appealing to non power users as it's visually simpler, big, and easier to click — unifying the search and address bar is what you're talking about, right?).

MaxBarraclough 6y ago
I think they're referring to the browser hiding parts of the URL, the way Chrome does. Unthinkingly following Chrome, Firefox started doing this too. To my knowledge, Firefox still defaults to doing this, but I could be mistaken. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/879926 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/879926
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ProAm 6y ago
Its not easy to switch back anymore and breaks a lot of functionality if you do. But its crazy that you have to accept serious UI/UX changes to get security fixes too.
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- unethical_ban 6y ago
  How? "Preferences > Search > Search Bar" allows you to add back the separate bar. And you can toggle search suggestions in the address bar as well. I don't see how that breaks anything or that it is a "serious UI change". And finally, the security implications of search suggestions in the address bar are debatable for the end user.
  - ProAm 6y ago
    Im talking more about the megabar, not the unified search and address bar (which also has its own issues) And the security patches for FF are bundles with the release, so if you want security fixes you also HAVE to take whatever UI or feature changes FF put into the browser. You shouldnt force users to relearn functionality for a piece of utility software in order to get fixes for CVEs. I understand its easier for them, but having to retrain people every couple of weeks because there is a new FF release isn't ideal.
    - rurp 6y ago
      > You shouldnt force users to relearn functionality for a piece of utility software in order to get fixes for CVEs. Yes, exactly. The amount of UI/UX churn in Firefox is pretty crazy and I'm sure discourages some number of people from updating regularly. Mozilla "fixed" that issue on the desktop versions by completely removing the easy options for letting users decide for themselves when to update, rather than just making auto-updates the default. I just don't get it. Does Mozilla have a problem with too many developers and needing to invent things to keep them occupied with?
- boogies 6y ago
  What functionality does it break? > But its crazy that you have to accept serious UI/UX changes to get security fixes too. It is sad, but it basically seems par for the course for big, semi-commercial software. I don't like Mozilla, but I appreciate them making an alternative to the massive Chrome near-monopoly that's not only just as fast and lighter but competitively easy to use for normal people. I personally switched to Waterfox years ago, and Pale Moon not long after that. It receives some security fixes slightly after FF (they're fixed after Mozilla publishes the issue), but some of them are not applicable (http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml) . Overall, to me then Pentadactyl is worth worse than that, and I think you might love the UI.
  - ProAm 6y ago
    > It is sad, but it basically seems par for the course for big, semi-commercial software I totally get why they do it too, Im a big Mozilla fan and have been for a long time. Im glad there is browser competition, I love their take on Add-ons and allowing the user to make decisions for themselves. They are fighting the good fight, Im just expressing my opinions on things I don't like, but Im still going to use FF. I did stop upgrading with version 76 because it was just too much change and disruptive enough for me to downgrade and turn off the installer. Ive never seen Pentadactyl, Ill check it out.
rurp 6y ago
> for a power user, and I think the omnibar is much more appealing to non power users as it's visually simpler, big, and easier to click This is interesting, I always figured it was the opposite. Many casual users don't know or care much about the difference between a search bar and a url bar and just want to type something in and get a result. Personally though I prefer having separate search and url fields because the actions are more precise. On more than a couple occasions I've tried to make a web search in Chrome's url bar that the browser insisted was a nonsensical url. I know there's a flag to enforce one behavior or the other, but I can't ever remember it and honestly don't feel like having to memorize magic words to get basic functionality working.
- soperj 6y ago
  Do you have a keyboard short cut to get to the search field as well as alt-d to get to the url bar?
  - spacehunt 6y ago
    Ctrl-K goes to the search field. It's easy to remember because the shortcut for the URL/Omnibar is more often cited as Ctrl-L.
    - AnonHP 6y ago
      That’s right. The Alt+d shortcut, that the GP is referring to, to reach the address bar is an old carryover from Internet Explorer.
  - sbierwagen 6y ago
    Ctrl+E, same as in Outlook.
- tempestn 6y ago
  Another nice thing about having them separate is you can set the search bar to automatically open in a new tab, whereas the main url bar replaces the current page.

DragoCubed 6y ago

I don't mind the narrower results but the address bar becoming larger when its focused is pretty weird.