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All they are able to do is take content down when it is reported. There isn’t really a solution that can be had other than that. Taking down the porn site would

All they are able to do is take content down when it is reported. There isn’t really a solution that can be had other than that. Taking down the porn site would require a restructuring of the first amendment or proving that the site owners purposely did not remove said content.

uxcolumbo 6y ago
Have you read what was said on the campaign site? If not - here is the important bit: "In recent news there have been numerous shocking cases of sex trafficking and child rape films that were hosted on Pornhub. A 15-year-old girl who had been missing for a year was finally found after her mother was tipped off that her daughter was being featured in videos on the site — 58 such videos of her rape and sexual abuse were discovered on Pornhub. Her trafficker, who was seen in the videos raping the child, was identified using surveillance footage of him at a 7-Eleven where he was spotted with his victim. He is now facing a felony charge. In February 2020, the BBC reported the harrowing story of 14-year-old Rose Kalemba from Ohio who was taken at knifepoint, raped for 12 hours, and the crime scene videos of her abuse were uploaded to Pornhub. Rose said that she pleaded with Pornhub to remove the videos of her rape and torture for months, and it wasn't until she posed as a lawyer and threatened legal action that Pornhub finally took them down. These are not isolated cases. In 2019 the Internet Watch Foundation stated that it alone had confirmed 118 cases of child rape and sexual abuse on Pornhub—half of the videos were Category A level abuse, which includes penetration and sadism. Likewise, the Sunday Times investigation into Pornhub reported finding "dozens" of illegal abuse videos within "minutes", including abuse images of children as young as three years old. Some of the videos identified by the newspaper's investigation "had 350,000 views and had been on the platform for more than three years." It went on to say "three of the worst clips still remained on the site 24 hours later."
- spacemark 6y ago
  These are truly sad things, but perhaps having a better model verification system in place would solve most of these problems? Taking down Pornhub doesn't seem like the only solution worth considering...
  - Minor49er 6y ago
    Would you really expect a smut peddler to behave ethically? They have already been aware of their problems and have tried to keep them quiet.
    - Falling3 6y ago
      > Would you really expect a smut peddler to behave ethically? I would hold them to the same ethical standards as any other industry. There's nothing inherently unethical or immoral about porn; your ad hominem in silly to say the least.
      - Minor49er 6y ago
        Porn is inherently immoral though. It's self-serving and degrading. It weakens the mind and spirit and results in a weakening of society. Also, just because you don't like a description doesn't mean that it's an ad hominem.
        Falling3 6y ago
        Absolutely none of that is true, and I challenge you to make a compelling, objective case for any of it.
  - h2odragon 6y ago
    Have you seen their model verification stuff? I don't say there's no improvements to be made, but what I saw when I looked at it last year seemed pretty strict.
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- TallGuyShort 6y ago
  >> Her trafficker, who was seen in the videos raping the child, was identified using surveillance footage of him at a 7-Eleven where he was spotted with his victim If I understand this correctly, both the victim and the trafficker / rapist were found because the video was on PornHub, right? It's super scummy that they didn't take it down after, and you have to wonder how many people got further into these "interests" because of the footage, but this little detail complicates my feelings on how this should be handled. Would they have ever rescued the victim or charged the perpetrator if this had been on darker channels only?
- chr1 6y ago
  So pornhub helped to find the girl and catch the trafficker. What's the ethical issue with pornhub here?
  - uxcolumbo 6y ago
    Did you read the text? One of the abused girls asked PH to take down that video for months. And it's not just that girl - here let me highlight another bit of text from the campaign site. "Likewise, the Sunday Times investigation into Pornhub reported finding "dozens" of illegal abuse videos within "minutes", including abuse images of children as young as three years old. Some of the videos identified by the newspaper's investigation "had 350,000 views and had been on the platform for more than three years." It went on to say "three of the worst clips still remained on the site 24 hours later."
    - wolco 6y ago
      Wouldn't a dmca request take down the video in 24 hours?
    - chr1 6y ago
      I did, but i did not see any harm done by not removing the videos, only effect it had was helping to find the girl.
      - uxcolumbo 6y ago
        Good to know you don't see any harm done by not removing videos of 'abuse images of children as young as three years old'.
        chr1 6y ago
        If we temporarily put aside the question of me being a monster, is there any evidence that fighting with the images helps in any way to prevent the actual crime? People playing violent video games do not go to the street killing people as a result of that, if anything they become less likely to get involved in actual crime. Do you expect someone accidentally seeing such a video to be "converted" by it and to attempt to do such things himself, or do you see some other harm done by not removing these videos? FYI i do not support watching porn, using drugs, drinking alcohol, and all the other things that used to be frowned upon by different religions, but trying to prevent such thought-crimes and self-harm crimes by law instead of persuasion have always caused more harm than good.

uxcolumbo 6y ago

Have you read what was said on the campaign site? If not - here is the important bit: "In recent news there have been numerous shocking cases of sex trafficking and child rape films that were hosted on Pornhub. A 15-year-old girl who had been missing for a year was finally found after her mother was tipped off that her daughter was being featured in videos on the site — 58 such videos of her rape and sexual abuse were discovered on Pornhub. Her trafficker, who was seen in the videos raping the child, was identified using surveillance footage of him at a 7-Eleven where he was spotted with his victim. He is now facing a felony charge. In February 2020, the BBC reported the harrowing story of 14-year-old Rose Kalemba from Ohio who was taken at knifepoint, raped for 12 hours, and the crime scene videos of her abuse were uploaded to Pornhub. Rose said that she pleaded with Pornhub to remove the videos of her rape and torture for months, and it wasn't until she posed as a lawyer and threatened legal action that Pornhub finally took them down. These are not isolated cases. In 2019 the Internet Watch Foundation stated that it alone had confirmed 118 cases of child rape and sexual abuse on Pornhub—half of the videos were Category A level abuse, which includes penetration and sadism. Likewise, the Sunday Times investigation into Pornhub reported finding "dozens" of illegal abuse videos within "minutes", including abuse images of children as young as three years old. Some of the videos identified by the newspaper's investigation "had 350,000 views and had been on the platform for more than three years." It went on to say "three of the worst clips still remained on the site 24 hours later."

spacemark 6y ago
These are truly sad things, but perhaps having a better model verification system in place would solve most of these problems? Taking down Pornhub doesn't seem like the only solution worth considering...
- Minor49er 6y ago
  Would you really expect a smut peddler to behave ethically? They have already been aware of their problems and have tried to keep them quiet.
  - Falling3 6y ago
    > Would you really expect a smut peddler to behave ethically? I would hold them to the same ethical standards as any other industry. There's nothing inherently unethical or immoral about porn; your ad hominem in silly to say the least.
    - Minor49er 6y ago
      Porn is inherently immoral though. It's self-serving and degrading. It weakens the mind and spirit and results in a weakening of society. Also, just because you don't like a description doesn't mean that it's an ad hominem.
      - Falling3 6y ago
        Absolutely none of that is true, and I challenge you to make a compelling, objective case for any of it.
- h2odragon 6y ago
  Have you seen their model verification stuff? I don't say there's no improvements to be made, but what I saw when I looked at it last year seemed pretty strict.
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TallGuyShort 6y ago
>> Her trafficker, who was seen in the videos raping the child, was identified using surveillance footage of him at a 7-Eleven where he was spotted with his victim If I understand this correctly, both the victim and the trafficker / rapist were found because the video was on PornHub, right? It's super scummy that they didn't take it down after, and you have to wonder how many people got further into these "interests" because of the footage, but this little detail complicates my feelings on how this should be handled. Would they have ever rescued the victim or charged the perpetrator if this had been on darker channels only?
chr1 6y ago
So pornhub helped to find the girl and catch the trafficker. What's the ethical issue with pornhub here?
- uxcolumbo 6y ago
  Did you read the text? One of the abused girls asked PH to take down that video for months. And it's not just that girl - here let me highlight another bit of text from the campaign site. "Likewise, the Sunday Times investigation into Pornhub reported finding "dozens" of illegal abuse videos within "minutes", including abuse images of children as young as three years old. Some of the videos identified by the newspaper's investigation "had 350,000 views and had been on the platform for more than three years." It went on to say "three of the worst clips still remained on the site 24 hours later."
  - wolco 6y ago
    Wouldn't a dmca request take down the video in 24 hours?
  - chr1 6y ago
    I did, but i did not see any harm done by not removing the videos, only effect it had was helping to find the girl.
    - uxcolumbo 6y ago
      Good to know you don't see any harm done by not removing videos of 'abuse images of children as young as three years old'.
      - chr1 6y ago
        If we temporarily put aside the question of me being a monster, is there any evidence that fighting with the images helps in any way to prevent the actual crime? People playing violent video games do not go to the street killing people as a result of that, if anything they become less likely to get involved in actual crime. Do you expect someone accidentally seeing such a video to be "converted" by it and to attempt to do such things himself, or do you see some other harm done by not removing these videos? FYI i do not support watching porn, using drugs, drinking alcohol, and all the other things that used to be frowned upon by different religions, but trying to prevent such thought-crimes and self-harm crimes by law instead of persuasion have always caused more harm than good.