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Masks will probably remain socially acceptable for quite some time post-COVID. If you don’t agree with facial recognition you can just wear one.

by xwdv 6y ago

stinos 6y ago
Next in line: iris scan at entry, followed by tracking you based on clothes/posture. If you don't agree: try to wear and act the same as everone else? More serious (even though I think my example isn't that far-fetched): I'm really not sure what to think of these camera and whetavere software backend slowly creeping into society. It has been predicted, definitely not everyone is ok with it, but still it just happens.
zapdrive 6y ago
https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a
- deelowe 6y ago
  It's no different than browser fingerprinting. "You can just use a VPN/spoof your user agent!" It's not that simple. Just like how browser fingerprinting has evolved to the point where it's virtually impossible to get around, these real world systems will follow suit. Hair color, eye color, skin color, the types of clothes your wear, your gait, height, gender, path you take through the store, car you drive, license plate, stores you frequent, heck... even where you choose to park or which door you choose to enter could all be used identify individuals/families. Keep in mind, just like with web analytics, these solutions will be provided by 3rd parties which will aggregate this data across multiple businesses.
- originalvichy 6y ago
  Glad I have a variety of different shoe sizes to alter my gait somewhat at least. Maybe that will become a thing. My gait changes if I use hiking boots vs. bouncy runners for example.
- AThrowAway2718 6y ago
  It's interesting that it has taken this long to be commercially viable. I have an acquaintance who worked on visual perception and circa 2001 this was a hot research topic for them. IIRC, their team demonstrated a two camera system for gait recognition to LLNL around then.
maxwell 6y ago
Plus robes to prevent gait recognition.
murph-almighty 6y ago
I'm debating creating a rig with IR LEDs to confuse cameras, is this a worthwhile endeavor?
- castis 6y ago
  If nothing else that sounds like it would be a fun side-project.
- jb775 6y ago
  I was just thinking that...or some type of invisible (to human eye) laser setup. These systems all rely on cameras so why not take advantage of the camera weak spot. Would be awesome to build something that makes you look like a blurred out blob on the camera, but doesn't render their system useless while you're using it. The quick solution for retailers would be banning use of IR/lasers in-store and they'll play the "if you don't like it you can shop elsewhere" game.
  - murph-almighty 6y ago
    Aside from actually live watching the feed I feel like it'd be pretty easy to hide an LED

Masks will probably remain socially acceptable for quite some time post-COVID. If you don’t agree with facial recognition you can just wear one.

by xwdv 6y ago

Masks will probably remain socially acceptable for quite some time post-COVID. If you don’t agree with facial recognition you can just wear one.

stinos 6y ago

Next in line: iris scan at entry, followed by tracking you based on clothes/posture. If you don't agree: try to wear and act the same as everone else? More serious (even though I think my example isn't that far-fetched): I'm really not sure what to think of these camera and whetavere software backend slowly creeping into society. It has been predicted, definitely not everyone is ok with it, but still it just happens.

zapdrive 6y ago

https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a

deelowe 6y ago
It's no different than browser fingerprinting. "You can just use a VPN/spoof your user agent!" It's not that simple. Just like how browser fingerprinting has evolved to the point where it's virtually impossible to get around, these real world systems will follow suit. Hair color, eye color, skin color, the types of clothes your wear, your gait, height, gender, path you take through the store, car you drive, license plate, stores you frequent, heck... even where you choose to park or which door you choose to enter could all be used identify individuals/families. Keep in mind, just like with web analytics, these solutions will be provided by 3rd parties which will aggregate this data across multiple businesses.
originalvichy 6y ago
Glad I have a variety of different shoe sizes to alter my gait somewhat at least. Maybe that will become a thing. My gait changes if I use hiking boots vs. bouncy runners for example.
AThrowAway2718 6y ago
It's interesting that it has taken this long to be commercially viable. I have an acquaintance who worked on visual perception and circa 2001 this was a hot research topic for them. IIRC, their team demonstrated a two camera system for gait recognition to LLNL around then.

maxwell 6y ago

Plus robes to prevent gait recognition.

murph-almighty 6y ago

I'm debating creating a rig with IR LEDs to confuse cameras, is this a worthwhile endeavor?

castis 6y ago
If nothing else that sounds like it would be a fun side-project.
jb775 6y ago
I was just thinking that...or some type of invisible (to human eye) laser setup. These systems all rely on cameras so why not take advantage of the camera weak spot. Would be awesome to build something that makes you look like a blurred out blob on the camera, but doesn't render their system useless while you're using it. The quick solution for retailers would be banning use of IR/lasers in-store and they'll play the "if you don't like it you can shop elsewhere" game.
- murph-almighty 6y ago
  Aside from actually live watching the feed I feel like it'd be pretty easy to hide an LED