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I am the product. I understand this with google and accept it. They can extract whatever information they want in exchange for decent results when I search whe

by pgrote 6y ago

I am the product. I understand this with google and accept it. They can extract whatever information they want in exchange for decent results when I search whether it comes from them or not. I get gmail, a phone os, a browser, an os, remote desktop and more for free from them. I pay for youtube premium. The value I get from google is worth it. Everything they provide is good enough and when I want a third party site or information I can get it. As a consumer, Google offers a great deal. There are two pain points with google. The first is support, but what can you do when it is free. The second is the rollout of new products and then abandoning them. I do not run a business that is affected by Google's decisions, though. I understand if you are a company competing in an area google participates it is unfair.

andrepd 6y ago
The bitch is when you're forced to use their products whether you like it or not. Case in point recaptcha. Also many users are not in the least aware of the trade going on, and the magnitude and invasiveness of the surveillance.
- vntok 6y ago
  Google does not force companies to implement ReCaptcha on their own Web properties.
  - john-shaffer 6y ago
    Many government websites use reCAPTCHA. I do not have any choice in using it. If I were to block Google to avoid tracking, I could not function in society.
    - reaperducer 6y ago
      I had to use a reCAPTCHA on a government web site last week, and Google's stupid AI refused to accept that a picture of a wheelchair is not a bicycle. They both have spokes, so I must be a bot. Note to self: Never get in a vehicle steered by Google AI.
      - kilburn 6y ago
        It gets even funnier for non-english speakers. ReCaptcha gets translated to your language, and sometimes it doesn't make sense. For instance, let's say that the thing makes you mark images of "toes". If you get the captcha in spanish, it will say imagenes de "dedos". The funny part is that "dedo" in spanish means both "finger" and "toe". The only way you can distinguish is by saying "dedo de la mano" or "dedo del pie" (which would literally translate to "finger of the hand" or "finger of the foot"). Hence, you click on both images containing "toes" and "fingers", and the freaking thing decides you must be a bot. If you can speak english you'll figure out eventually, but if you only speak spanish you are screwed.
        glandium 6y ago
        Funnily enough, Google translate does translate "toe" to "dedo del pie" and "finger" to "dedo". Which makes me wonder what the same captcha would say in French. In French, "doigt", while technically for both toes and fingers, is usually unambiguously "finger", and "toes" is "doigts de pied". So if the captcha would pull the same joke in French, telling to flag "doigts", I, as a French, would only pick fingers and not toes at all.
    - renewiltord 6y ago
      The gov.uk guys have figured out this problem. As usual, the US NIH syndrome gets in the way. Give the UK guys a call, 18F. Learn how to do this right.
    - vntok 6y ago
      Again, Google is not forcing them to use ReCAPTCHA anywhere. You seem to have an issue with that program, so why are you taking it out on Google instead of on your government?
  - zentiggr 6y ago
    Put *.google.com in an adblocker and see how many sites break. There is no way to avoid them completely.
reaperducer 6y ago
I understand this with google and accept it. They can extract whatever information they want in exchange for decent results when I search whether it comes from them or not. I get gmail, a phone os, a browser, an os, remote desktop and more for free from them. I pay for youtube premium. I don't want to cheapen the horror of spousal abuse, but your statements sound exactly like the kind of excuses that a victim of domestic violence makes. "He only does that when he's drinking." "Google only tracks me when I'm breathing." I don't think you even realize how you've been trained into a mindset like some kind of circus animal.

by pgrote 6y ago

andrepd 6y ago

The bitch is when you're forced to use their products whether you like it or not. Case in point recaptcha. Also many users are not in the least aware of the trade going on, and the magnitude and invasiveness of the surveillance.

vntok 6y ago
Google does not force companies to implement ReCaptcha on their own Web properties.
- john-shaffer 6y ago
  Many government websites use reCAPTCHA. I do not have any choice in using it. If I were to block Google to avoid tracking, I could not function in society.
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    I had to use a reCAPTCHA on a government web site last week, and Google's stupid AI refused to accept that a picture of a wheelchair is not a bicycle. They both have spokes, so I must be a bot. Note to self: Never get in a vehicle steered by Google AI.
    - kilburn 6y ago
      It gets even funnier for non-english speakers. ReCaptcha gets translated to your language, and sometimes it doesn't make sense. For instance, let's say that the thing makes you mark images of "toes". If you get the captcha in spanish, it will say imagenes de "dedos". The funny part is that "dedo" in spanish means both "finger" and "toe". The only way you can distinguish is by saying "dedo de la mano" or "dedo del pie" (which would literally translate to "finger of the hand" or "finger of the foot"). Hence, you click on both images containing "toes" and "fingers", and the freaking thing decides you must be a bot. If you can speak english you'll figure out eventually, but if you only speak spanish you are screwed.
      - glandium 6y ago
        Funnily enough, Google translate does translate "toe" to "dedo del pie" and "finger" to "dedo". Which makes me wonder what the same captcha would say in French. In French, "doigt", while technically for both toes and fingers, is usually unambiguously "finger", and "toes" is "doigts de pied". So if the captcha would pull the same joke in French, telling to flag "doigts", I, as a French, would only pick fingers and not toes at all.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    The gov.uk guys have figured out this problem. As usual, the US NIH syndrome gets in the way. Give the UK guys a call, 18F. Learn how to do this right.
  - vntok 6y ago
    Again, Google is not forcing them to use ReCAPTCHA anywhere. You seem to have an issue with that program, so why are you taking it out on Google instead of on your government?
- zentiggr 6y ago
  Put *.google.com in an adblocker and see how many sites break. There is no way to avoid them completely.

reaperducer 6y ago

I understand this with google and accept it. They can extract whatever information they want in exchange for decent results when I search whether it comes from them or not. I get gmail, a phone os, a browser, an os, remote desktop and more for free from them. I pay for youtube premium. I don't want to cheapen the horror of spousal abuse, but your statements sound exactly like the kind of excuses that a victim of domestic violence makes. "He only does that when he's drinking." "Google only tracks me when I'm breathing." I don't think you even realize how you've been trained into a mindset like some kind of circus animal.