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Depends, us old people who saw both sides of the coin feel like today’s youth is crippled, they have no motive to study or be competitive, it’s mostly look pret

by bnt 6y ago

Depends, us old people who saw both sides of the coin feel like today’s youth is crippled, they have no motive to study or be competitive, it’s mostly look pretty and be out with friends all day long.

rapsey 6y ago
Even the old Greeks complained how their youth is worse. It’s been quite a few generations since and we are still moving on.
- the-dude 6y ago
  Do you have a source for this? It is commonly attributed to Socrates, but this appears not to be true : https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha
  - hexmiles 6y ago
    I've heard being attributed to Hesiod from a talk by Adam Conover, but i've not investigated. EDIT: sorry, apparently it's also a misquotation: https://www.quora.com/Which-ancient-Greek-spoke-of-there-being-no-hope-left-for-the-world-with-the-young-generation-turning-out-the-way-it-is https://www.quora.com/Which-ancient-Greek-spoke-of-there-bei...
pacija 6y ago
I was born in late 70s in Croatia (then Yugoslavia), moved in early 90s to Belgrade, Serbia, due to rise of nationalism and violence of official Croatian regime against Serbs. Not that official Serbian regime was any better in that regard, just against other nations, mostly Croatians and Bosnians. I don't consider myself old, but I'm no "modern kid" by any measure. What I observe among today's people of these regions (I travel and keep contact with people all over ex-Yugoslavia - mostly Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia), regardless of their age, is defeatism and lack of confidence. Most don't beleive they can invent, build or produce anything on their own. Everything needs to be imported. It saddens me because ex-Yugoslavia used to produce computers, cars, electronics, aircrafts, hi-fi audio stuff etc. back in the 80s. Closing of all these industries in 90s had devastating econimical impact, but that was later recovered - they mostly reopened but now under new multinational owners, producing parts for global brands. Smart and industrious people got their salaries back. What hasn't recovered so far is belief that we can again invent and build for ourselves, not sell knowledge and skill to big global players at low price and then buy finished products at much higher price. But then again I think this is not specific just to ex-Yugoslavia, it seems to be global trend.
- d10r 6y ago
  > What I observe among today's people of these regions ..., regardless of their age, is defeatism and lack of confidence. My personal experience (mainly from visits to Bosnia) confirms that. In my opinion, the ongoing brain drain is a main reason behind it. It's a rational choice for talented and motivated young people to move to a Western European country, thus many do so. Unfortunately, the result is that those not leaving have a very hard time forming a critical mass which could break through the various deadlocks left behind by the war years.

by bnt 6y ago

rapsey 6y ago

Even the old Greeks complained how their youth is worse. It’s been quite a few generations since and we are still moving on.

the-dude 6y ago
Do you have a source for this? It is commonly attributed to Socrates, but this appears not to be true : https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha
- hexmiles 6y ago
  I've heard being attributed to Hesiod from a talk by Adam Conover, but i've not investigated. EDIT: sorry, apparently it's also a misquotation: https://www.quora.com/Which-ancient-Greek-spoke-of-there-being-no-hope-left-for-the-world-with-the-young-generation-turning-out-the-way-it-is https://www.quora.com/Which-ancient-Greek-spoke-of-there-bei...

pacija 6y ago

I was born in late 70s in Croatia (then Yugoslavia), moved in early 90s to Belgrade, Serbia, due to rise of nationalism and violence of official Croatian regime against Serbs. Not that official Serbian regime was any better in that regard, just against other nations, mostly Croatians and Bosnians. I don't consider myself old, but I'm no "modern kid" by any measure. What I observe among today's people of these regions (I travel and keep contact with people all over ex-Yugoslavia - mostly Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia), regardless of their age, is defeatism and lack of confidence. Most don't beleive they can invent, build or produce anything on their own. Everything needs to be imported. It saddens me because ex-Yugoslavia used to produce computers, cars, electronics, aircrafts, hi-fi audio stuff etc. back in the 80s. Closing of all these industries in 90s had devastating econimical impact, but that was later recovered - they mostly reopened but now under new multinational owners, producing parts for global brands. Smart and industrious people got their salaries back. What hasn't recovered so far is belief that we can again invent and build for ourselves, not sell knowledge and skill to big global players at low price and then buy finished products at much higher price. But then again I think this is not specific just to ex-Yugoslavia, it seems to be global trend.

d10r 6y ago
> What I observe among today's people of these regions ..., regardless of their age, is defeatism and lack of confidence. My personal experience (mainly from visits to Bosnia) confirms that. In my opinion, the ongoing brain drain is a main reason behind it. It's a rational choice for talented and motivated young people to move to a Western European country, thus many do so. Unfortunately, the result is that those not leaving have a very hard time forming a critical mass which could break through the various deadlocks left behind by the war years.