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Or, there's going to be 11M people who start squating and paying what they can. I'd be interested to see where the cops in America fall on this. It'll destroy c

Or, there's going to be 11M people who start squating and paying what they can. I'd be interested to see where the cops in America fall on this. It'll destroy cities and towns.

ideals 6y ago
With DHS rolling into a city near you™ it looks like they aren't going to wait and see how local pd react
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  DHS has a limited capacity to do this, given present staffing, funding, responsibilities, and capabilities. While DHS boasts an impressive headcount of 240,000 employees, the bulk are unlikely to be paramilitary goons of the sort seen in Portland and Seattle, where several dozen troops have had minimal effectiveness in projecting force more than a few metres from the federal courthouse. Additional requisitions from a deeply divided Congress are unlikely. Where just a single city's police force numbers over 55 thousands (NYPD), the prospect that a few hundreds, or even thousands, of reassigned TSA screeners and border patrol might play landlord-support squad in 100s of cities throughout the US to an ever-growing public resistance is parlors thin.
  - zaarn 6y ago
    You don't need to evict all people via DHS. Only enough that the rest has enough fear put in them to do it themselves.
  - jhayward 6y ago
    DHS is already training up vigilante militia[1]. Don't underestimate what this administration is willing to do. "attendees will participate in scenario-based training and exercises conducted in a safe and positive environment, including, but not limited to defensive tactics, firearms familiarization, and targeted arrests." [1] https://www.npr.org/local/309/2020/07/10/889726473/i-c-e-citizens-trainings-may-be-a-vigilante-academy-chicago-alderman-warns https://www.npr.org/local/309/2020/07/10/889726473/i-c-e-cit...
    - xenospn 6y ago
      There's A LOT of people in America just waiting for their chance to go full-on Purge mode on minorities. This looks like what they've been waiting for all along.
      - burgerboy 6y ago
        This is delusional
pjc50 6y ago
> I'd be interested to see where the cops in America fall on this. I think we can tell by now: more tear gas. Eventually some commander is going to authorise clearing a street with live ammunition. (There are even claims that the shooting of Breonna Taylor was connected to gentrification, although the evidence seems tenuous and the claims extraordinary: https://www.salon.com/2020/07/06/breonna-taylor-lawsuit-claims-no-knock-warrant-was-part-of-louisville-gentrification-plan/ https://www.salon.com/2020/07/06/breonna-taylor-lawsuit-clai... )
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
Cops aren't gonna spend the manpower evicting people unless the chief makes it a priority. The chief won't do that unless the politicians tell him to and the union gives a nod. The politicians won't do that if it's political suicide. Remember when Baltimore PD went on strike and they basically just solved murders, kept tabs on drug trafficking and sat in their cruisers running their side businesses? That's the natural state of policing. They don't care about a bar that always has brawls. They don't care about someone riding an ATV on the street. They don't care about some teenagers lighting a cardboard box full of feces on fire on the mayor's doorstep. They don't even care about writing tickets to generate revenue. They don't care about evicting people. But they care about keeping their jobs so if the chief says to care about those things they'll care. Keeping that in mind, any communities that get "destroyed" are doing it at their own hand because the political to make those evictions happen needs to be so much greater than the will to make them not happen (landlords are less numerous than renters but more moneyed and politically active, it's hard to call) that there's enough impetus to still get it done at scale after being laundered through the politicians (who would rather not piss off the renters if they don't have to) and police management (who would rather not kill morale by sending their employees to do the politician's dirty work), losing momentum in both cases.
- Miner49er 6y ago
  It will be made a priority. Landlords have money and donate to political campaigns. People who are being evicted do not. Money matters far more then angry everyday people. Unless they start rioting and looting (which costs the rich money, so in a way, money still matters more). Also, homeless people can't really vote a lot of the time, so as a politician, why care if a bunch of people are made homeless? They aren't gonna be able to vote you out.
- xfitm3 6y ago
  Police are compelled to process evictions by the court. The chief has no say.
  - dencodev 6y ago
    Police are compelled to do a lot of things they choose not to.

Or, there's going to be 11M people who start squating and paying what they can. I'd be interested to see where the cops in America fall on this. It'll destroy cities and towns.

ideals 6y ago

With DHS rolling into a city near you™ it looks like they aren't going to wait and see how local pd react

dredmorbius 6y ago
DHS has a limited capacity to do this, given present staffing, funding, responsibilities, and capabilities. While DHS boasts an impressive headcount of 240,000 employees, the bulk are unlikely to be paramilitary goons of the sort seen in Portland and Seattle, where several dozen troops have had minimal effectiveness in projecting force more than a few metres from the federal courthouse. Additional requisitions from a deeply divided Congress are unlikely. Where just a single city's police force numbers over 55 thousands (NYPD), the prospect that a few hundreds, or even thousands, of reassigned TSA screeners and border patrol might play landlord-support squad in 100s of cities throughout the US to an ever-growing public resistance is parlors thin.
- zaarn 6y ago
  You don't need to evict all people via DHS. Only enough that the rest has enough fear put in them to do it themselves.
- jhayward 6y ago
  DHS is already training up vigilante militia[1]. Don't underestimate what this administration is willing to do. "attendees will participate in scenario-based training and exercises conducted in a safe and positive environment, including, but not limited to defensive tactics, firearms familiarization, and targeted arrests." [1] https://www.npr.org/local/309/2020/07/10/889726473/i-c-e-citizens-trainings-may-be-a-vigilante-academy-chicago-alderman-warns https://www.npr.org/local/309/2020/07/10/889726473/i-c-e-cit...
  - xenospn 6y ago
    There's A LOT of people in America just waiting for their chance to go full-on Purge mode on minorities. This looks like what they've been waiting for all along.
    - burgerboy 6y ago
      This is delusional

pjc50 6y ago

> I'd be interested to see where the cops in America fall on this. I think we can tell by now: more tear gas. Eventually some commander is going to authorise clearing a street with live ammunition. (There are even claims that the shooting of Breonna Taylor was connected to gentrification, although the evidence seems tenuous and the claims extraordinary: https://www.salon.com/2020/07/06/breonna-taylor-lawsuit-claims-no-knock-warrant-was-part-of-louisville-gentrification-plan/ https://www.salon.com/2020/07/06/breonna-taylor-lawsuit-clai... )

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

Cops aren't gonna spend the manpower evicting people unless the chief makes it a priority. The chief won't do that unless the politicians tell him to and the union gives a nod. The politicians won't do that if it's political suicide. Remember when Baltimore PD went on strike and they basically just solved murders, kept tabs on drug trafficking and sat in their cruisers running their side businesses? That's the natural state of policing. They don't care about a bar that always has brawls. They don't care about someone riding an ATV on the street. They don't care about some teenagers lighting a cardboard box full of feces on fire on the mayor's doorstep. They don't even care about writing tickets to generate revenue. They don't care about evicting people. But they care about keeping their jobs so if the chief says to care about those things they'll care. Keeping that in mind, any communities that get "destroyed" are doing it at their own hand because the political to make those evictions happen needs to be so much greater than the will to make them not happen (landlords are less numerous than renters but more moneyed and politically active, it's hard to call) that there's enough impetus to still get it done at scale after being laundered through the politicians (who would rather not piss off the renters if they don't have to) and police management (who would rather not kill morale by sending their employees to do the politician's dirty work), losing momentum in both cases.

Miner49er 6y ago
It will be made a priority. Landlords have money and donate to political campaigns. People who are being evicted do not. Money matters far more then angry everyday people. Unless they start rioting and looting (which costs the rich money, so in a way, money still matters more). Also, homeless people can't really vote a lot of the time, so as a politician, why care if a bunch of people are made homeless? They aren't gonna be able to vote you out.
xfitm3 6y ago
Police are compelled to process evictions by the court. The chief has no say.
- dencodev 6y ago
  Police are compelled to do a lot of things they choose not to.