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Surprising, since lockdowns and "protests" have greatly increased the rate of gun purchasing. In my state, all firearms were out of stock at the local shops for

Surprising, since lockdowns and "protests" have greatly increased the rate of gun purchasing. In my state, all firearms were out of stock at the local shops for months.

Shared404 6y ago
> "protests" Pretty sure there are in fact protests. Regardless of your view on them, which I won't get into because this is HN and not Reddit.
- refurb 6y ago
  I assume it's in quotes because if there were only non-violent protests, it wouldn't drive people to buy guns. Hence "protests".
  - Shared404 6y ago
    Maybe. On the other hand, I would argue that a violent protest is still a protest, thus the need to specify non-violent.
    - whammywon 6y ago
      Sincere question: How do you differentiate between a "violent" protest and a riot? Edit: realized I accidentally typed "non-violent" as opposed to "violent".
      - Shared404 6y ago
        I would say probably destruction of civilian property. Most of the protests could be considered as violent, due to the police shooting tear gas etc. into crowds of peaceful protest. Protests where the protesters get violent would in my mind involve A) Actual retaliation vs police, not just water bottles. or B) Destruction of government property. or C) Both. Protests where it devolves into looting private property are not protests, they are riots -- that have at least partially been caused by people who _definitely_ do not agree with the protesters. Edit: Just noticed your edit, no worries. I understood your intent fine.
        whammywon 6y ago
        Thanks for the reply.
- throwaway-facts 6y ago
  I generally agree with the message of the protests but I feel like what's going on in Portland isn't being widely covered by the media. I am a long standing democrat for many years and it is becoming really difficult to stand behind the message when the activists have no agenda, want to continue doing this and there is no end in sight. I absolutely resent federal forces defending the courthouse. If protestors want to burn it down (there are many videos of them trying to), what do you do? May be we just allow these people to burn it down if that means it is going to bring change. Then there is this: How do you defend protestors who want to overthrow the United States? Proof: https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1284512759934267392 https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/128451275993426739... Had to create throwaway account just to hide my identity - I am kind of terrified of everything right now. Both left and right are going insane, truth is smeared and it is difficult to have a level headed, HN-like conversion which is what makes this place wonderful. We need to be extremely vigilant. Please I beg every one of you. I know it is pretty taboo to even be centrist around here, my plea is to fact check everything. What I am seeing as a 10 year subscriber to NYT is simply no coverage of extreme violence and absurdity of demands these protestors are creating. I have and stand by a lot majority of protestors that are actually peaceful - like the NY City march and SF protests, but Portland is on another level. I no longer support it.
  - Shared404 6y ago
    Thank you for verbalizing what I am unable to. I personally believe that there need to be large changes across the structure of gov, but to the direction of less, and not more. I have not followed the protests in Portland in depth, just enough to know that in at least portions (block? blocks?) the fed has completely reignited brutality in response to protests. Is there more info you have to available to share, or a good place to find unbiased info? I lurk Reddit, but that is very biased in either direction at any given thread.
    - throwaway-facts 6y ago
      The slight sliver of hope in NYTimes is that today they wrote a story that is somewhat backtracking from full force support of the protestors: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/us/protests-divisions-blm.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/us/protests-divisions-blm... Quoting NYTimes: > hurled an open pocketknife at the officers guarding the courthouse; they have used power tools, crowbars and bolt cutters to yank down a fence Yep, this is going on definitely. And now we have some level of coverage. Edit: removed the link to that twitter account, I checked the messages he is posting, totally insane. "Unknown liquid" hurled at cops, it's just water. Then the guy is talking about how masks are harmful to lungs. I am sorry.
- tharne 6y ago
  I've participated in countless protests when I was younger. Not one them involved a police station getting set on fire. There are peaceful protests and there are riots. We've seen both this year.
yaur 6y ago
They sell guns, but not anything that people are panic buying.
- rspeele 6y ago
  People would absolutely panic buy a Remington 870, if it was still good. A 12GA pump is a classic "don't know much about guns but want something to keep at home" purchase, and the 870 used to be THE industry standard. But they don't make 'em like they used to. It doesn't help Remington that the quality guns they made for decades still exist on the secondary market and work just fine. So they are not only competing against their counterparts on the new gun market like Mossberg, but against their past, generally agreed to be better, output. There hasn't been anything new, tech-wise, in guns for the past 40 years, so you can't beat the old guns with features like how a new phone has a faster processor and better camera. You have to stay on par in terms of quality and hope that people will prefer to buy new for the customer service, parts availability, and aftermarket support.
  - EdwardDiego 6y ago
    Reminds me of when Suzuki switched manufacturing of their GN250 to Chinese factories, and suddenly second hand Japanese built Ginnies were attracting a premium over brand new models.
  - yaur 6y ago
    The 870 is still fine (I must have at least a 1000 rounds through mine) and is still something you can buy with a modest panic markup. The more ubiquitous Glock 19, which I would argue is a much less effective home defense weapon, is pretty much gone. The causes of that are more interesting than than Remington's bankruptcy.
    - jaclaz 6y ago
      > The causes of that are more interesting than than Remington's bankruptcy. And what are they, if I may ask?
tharne 6y ago
Not sure why this is getting down-voted. The individual is stating a fact that speaks to the current boom that the firearms industry is experiencing right now as result of a a pandemic coupled with civil unrest.

Surprising, since lockdowns and "protests" have greatly increased the rate of gun purchasing. In my state, all firearms were out of stock at the local shops for months.

Shared404 6y ago

> "protests" Pretty sure there are in fact protests. Regardless of your view on them, which I won't get into because this is HN and not Reddit.

refurb 6y ago
I assume it's in quotes because if there were only non-violent protests, it wouldn't drive people to buy guns. Hence "protests".
- Shared404 6y ago
  Maybe. On the other hand, I would argue that a violent protest is still a protest, thus the need to specify non-violent.
  - whammywon 6y ago
    Sincere question: How do you differentiate between a "violent" protest and a riot? Edit: realized I accidentally typed "non-violent" as opposed to "violent".
    - Shared404 6y ago
      I would say probably destruction of civilian property. Most of the protests could be considered as violent, due to the police shooting tear gas etc. into crowds of peaceful protest. Protests where the protesters get violent would in my mind involve A) Actual retaliation vs police, not just water bottles. or B) Destruction of government property. or C) Both. Protests where it devolves into looting private property are not protests, they are riots -- that have at least partially been caused by people who _definitely_ do not agree with the protesters. Edit: Just noticed your edit, no worries. I understood your intent fine.
      - whammywon 6y ago
        Thanks for the reply.
throwaway-facts 6y ago
I generally agree with the message of the protests but I feel like what's going on in Portland isn't being widely covered by the media. I am a long standing democrat for many years and it is becoming really difficult to stand behind the message when the activists have no agenda, want to continue doing this and there is no end in sight. I absolutely resent federal forces defending the courthouse. If protestors want to burn it down (there are many videos of them trying to), what do you do? May be we just allow these people to burn it down if that means it is going to bring change. Then there is this: How do you defend protestors who want to overthrow the United States? Proof: https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1284512759934267392 https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/128451275993426739... Had to create throwaway account just to hide my identity - I am kind of terrified of everything right now. Both left and right are going insane, truth is smeared and it is difficult to have a level headed, HN-like conversion which is what makes this place wonderful. We need to be extremely vigilant. Please I beg every one of you. I know it is pretty taboo to even be centrist around here, my plea is to fact check everything. What I am seeing as a 10 year subscriber to NYT is simply no coverage of extreme violence and absurdity of demands these protestors are creating. I have and stand by a lot majority of protestors that are actually peaceful - like the NY City march and SF protests, but Portland is on another level. I no longer support it.
- Shared404 6y ago
  Thank you for verbalizing what I am unable to. I personally believe that there need to be large changes across the structure of gov, but to the direction of less, and not more. I have not followed the protests in Portland in depth, just enough to know that in at least portions (block? blocks?) the fed has completely reignited brutality in response to protests. Is there more info you have to available to share, or a good place to find unbiased info? I lurk Reddit, but that is very biased in either direction at any given thread.
  - throwaway-facts 6y ago
    The slight sliver of hope in NYTimes is that today they wrote a story that is somewhat backtracking from full force support of the protestors: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/us/protests-divisions-blm.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/27/us/protests-divisions-blm... Quoting NYTimes: > hurled an open pocketknife at the officers guarding the courthouse; they have used power tools, crowbars and bolt cutters to yank down a fence Yep, this is going on definitely. And now we have some level of coverage. Edit: removed the link to that twitter account, I checked the messages he is posting, totally insane. "Unknown liquid" hurled at cops, it's just water. Then the guy is talking about how masks are harmful to lungs. I am sorry.
tharne 6y ago
I've participated in countless protests when I was younger. Not one them involved a police station getting set on fire. There are peaceful protests and there are riots. We've seen both this year.

yaur 6y ago

They sell guns, but not anything that people are panic buying.

rspeele 6y ago
People would absolutely panic buy a Remington 870, if it was still good. A 12GA pump is a classic "don't know much about guns but want something to keep at home" purchase, and the 870 used to be THE industry standard. But they don't make 'em like they used to. It doesn't help Remington that the quality guns they made for decades still exist on the secondary market and work just fine. So they are not only competing against their counterparts on the new gun market like Mossberg, but against their past, generally agreed to be better, output. There hasn't been anything new, tech-wise, in guns for the past 40 years, so you can't beat the old guns with features like how a new phone has a faster processor and better camera. You have to stay on par in terms of quality and hope that people will prefer to buy new for the customer service, parts availability, and aftermarket support.
- EdwardDiego 6y ago
  Reminds me of when Suzuki switched manufacturing of their GN250 to Chinese factories, and suddenly second hand Japanese built Ginnies were attracting a premium over brand new models.
- yaur 6y ago
  The 870 is still fine (I must have at least a 1000 rounds through mine) and is still something you can buy with a modest panic markup. The more ubiquitous Glock 19, which I would argue is a much less effective home defense weapon, is pretty much gone. The causes of that are more interesting than than Remington's bankruptcy.
  - jaclaz 6y ago
    > The causes of that are more interesting than than Remington's bankruptcy. And what are they, if I may ask?

tharne 6y ago

Not sure why this is getting down-voted. The individual is stating a fact that speaks to the current boom that the firearms industry is experiencing right now as result of a a pandemic coupled with civil unrest.