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This is nothing more the a PR misdirection to evoke anti government sympathies. EU regulator has no interest in this information, and probably has not directly

by mola 6y ago

This is nothing more the a PR misdirection to evoke anti government sympathies. EU regulator has no interest in this information, and probably has not directly requested it. The wording says that the search terms $might$ return this information. So the lawyers can always redact it if these turn out, I'm pretty sure the regulator would accept it. Disgusting company.

xvector 6y ago
Disgusting regulator, you mean. I would rather the EU burn to the ground than have the power to gain unfettered access to my private medical records. Privacy is a right and any government that would so blatantly infringe on it doesn’t deserve to be in power. I hope Facebook wins this fight. What irony that Facebook of all companies has to defend itself from a breach of employee privacy. They should delete this information before they are inevitably forced to turn it in because of government overreach.
- bkor 6y ago
  It seems you didn't read what you replied to. Suggest to read that comment again.
  - fuj 6y ago
    That would require reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. Both seem to be missing from the op
- mola 6y ago
  Thank you for proving my point. The regulator has no intention to read your medical records, nor did it ask for them. Facebook misuses the court for sly PR tricks to evoke anti government sympathies and get people on their side. Just as you did. Don't forget, Facebook is the bane for privacy, not the EU.
  - ersii 6y ago
    > Don't forget, Facebook is the bane for privacy, not the EU. To be fair, you can (and are probably) both right.
    - mola 6y ago
      Maybe, but my main point is this sort of misuse of the court procedures for the side effect of manipulating the crowd using deceptive claims, is what makes FB disgusting.
  - xvector 6y ago
    I read the comment in full, and the comment is wrong. Facebook’s statement: > “The exceptionally broad nature of the Commission’s requests means we would be required to turn over predominantly irrelevant documents that have nothing to do with the Commission’s investigations, including highly sensitive personal information such as employees’ medical information, personal financial documents, and private information about family members of employees,” There is no “might” PR weasel-wording as OP implies. It is clear that Facebook believes with certainty they are asking to turn over information that is predominantly irrelevant. Also, the OP’s statement that the EU “has no use for the information” is irrelevant and an affront to privacy. If the EU has no use for it, then they should not be asking for it. “Facebook bad! EU good!” is a naive mentality and I’m disappointed to see that HNers are falling into the same groupthink present everywhere else.
    - mola 6y ago
      You are jumping to conclusions. EU might have their own problems, but believing EU, a representative body formed from people elected through a democratic process is just the same as a global corporation with a single "rational" goal of "make more money whatever it takes", is naive. In a way, Corporations are inherently corrupt because they are not measured on anything but getting more money, which does not equate creating more value, but is merely a proxy. Democratic bodies maybe be corrupted, but you have the moral grounds to complain about it. Which you don't have with corporations, as long as they make money, they are acting withing our morality expectations. And it is weasel speak, because they don't claim that the EU is asking for this impertinent information specifically, but they make it sound like that. I dare you to find "employee medical records" in the search terms. If they were acting in good faith, they would've ask to enable post dragnet filters, and not to publicly claim the EU is after employee medical records. Which is a lie.

by mola 6y ago

xvector 6y ago

Disgusting regulator, you mean. I would rather the EU burn to the ground than have the power to gain unfettered access to my private medical records. Privacy is a right and any government that would so blatantly infringe on it doesn’t deserve to be in power. I hope Facebook wins this fight. What irony that Facebook of all companies has to defend itself from a breach of employee privacy. They should delete this information before they are inevitably forced to turn it in because of government overreach.

bkor 6y ago
It seems you didn't read what you replied to. Suggest to read that comment again.
- fuj 6y ago
  That would require reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. Both seem to be missing from the op
mola 6y ago
Thank you for proving my point. The regulator has no intention to read your medical records, nor did it ask for them. Facebook misuses the court for sly PR tricks to evoke anti government sympathies and get people on their side. Just as you did. Don't forget, Facebook is the bane for privacy, not the EU.
- ersii 6y ago
  > Don't forget, Facebook is the bane for privacy, not the EU. To be fair, you can (and are probably) both right.
  - mola 6y ago
    Maybe, but my main point is this sort of misuse of the court procedures for the side effect of manipulating the crowd using deceptive claims, is what makes FB disgusting.
- xvector 6y ago
  I read the comment in full, and the comment is wrong. Facebook’s statement: > “The exceptionally broad nature of the Commission’s requests means we would be required to turn over predominantly irrelevant documents that have nothing to do with the Commission’s investigations, including highly sensitive personal information such as employees’ medical information, personal financial documents, and private information about family members of employees,” There is no “might” PR weasel-wording as OP implies. It is clear that Facebook believes with certainty they are asking to turn over information that is predominantly irrelevant. Also, the OP’s statement that the EU “has no use for the information” is irrelevant and an affront to privacy. If the EU has no use for it, then they should not be asking for it. “Facebook bad! EU good!” is a naive mentality and I’m disappointed to see that HNers are falling into the same groupthink present everywhere else.
  - mola 6y ago
    You are jumping to conclusions. EU might have their own problems, but believing EU, a representative body formed from people elected through a democratic process is just the same as a global corporation with a single "rational" goal of "make more money whatever it takes", is naive. In a way, Corporations are inherently corrupt because they are not measured on anything but getting more money, which does not equate creating more value, but is merely a proxy. Democratic bodies maybe be corrupted, but you have the moral grounds to complain about it. Which you don't have with corporations, as long as they make money, they are acting withing our morality expectations. And it is weasel speak, because they don't claim that the EU is asking for this impertinent information specifically, but they make it sound like that. I dare you to find "employee medical records" in the search terms. If they were acting in good faith, they would've ask to enable post dragnet filters, and not to publicly claim the EU is after employee medical records. Which is a lie.