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> By ignoring balls thrown to his weaker areas, he often is able to get ahead of the pitcher... Shouldn't this strategy tend get him behind in the count, not a

> By ignoring balls thrown to his weaker areas, he often is able to get ahead of the pitcher... Shouldn't this strategy tend get him behind in the count, not ahead? Since he'll be giving up more strikes. To get ahead he needs to avoid swinging at pitches outside the zone, but that's a trivially good strategy - if you can tell which pitches those are in time to not swing. I guess what you're getting at is that pitches aimed at the edge of the strike zone are more likely to miss it. So there's a double advantage in not swinging at pitches away from the centre of the stroke zone - they might be called balls, and if you do swing you won't be very successful statistically anyway.

OldHand2018 6y ago
"low and away" is a weak spot for almost any hitter. The challenge for a pitcher is to actually hit that spot. Ted Williams batted as a lefty. Most everything a right-handed pitcher throws has a tendency to trail leftward. A slight mistake and you've got something he will hit very hard.
slg 6y ago
The reasons are twofold. Like you mentioned a pitcher's aim isn't perfect. Also a batter isn't perfect at reading pitches. A pitch aimed at the bottom of the strike zone might miss accidentally. Or a pitch like a curveball can be aimed below the strike zone but it appears to the batter to be a strike only for it to drop and end up outside the zone. Not swinging at these seemingly borderline pitches results in a lot more pitches being called balls. Also pitches thrown in these tough to hit locations will often result in bad contact. Bad contact is generally worse than a strike. A ball that is weakly hit into play will almost always result in an out. A strike will only result in an out when there are already 2 strikes. Therefore swinging at fewer pitches means the batter sees more pitches and gets deeper into counts. The batter will therefore have more late counts in which they are ahead simply due to fewer at bats being ended prematurely.
- pantaloony 6y ago
  Notably, a bad hit can result in multiple outs.
- mc32 6y ago
  Also, more pitches increases the chances of a bad pitch )a hanger, etc) and if you create a reputation for having a good eye, umpires will give the hitter the benefit of doubt on borderline pitches (I have no idea how this works now that they have robots calling balls and strikes, but it’d be nice if they kept some of the inexactness that “engages” people more.
  - slg 6y ago
    >I have no idea how this works now that they have robots calling balls and strikes They don't yet have robots calling the balls and strikes. In spring training this year they tested out a system to notify the umpires of the robotic balls and strike calls, but the umpire had the ability to overrule the automated system. That isn't used in the general season yet although many expect it is only a matter of time. Currently the umpires are graded on a regular basis compared to their performance versus a computerized system which has resulted in calls improving consistently over the last decade plus of baseball. However you are certainly right that this approach can compound in a lot of interesting ways including an ump giving the benefit of the doubt. There is a perhaps apocryphal of a catcher complaining about a call that Williams received only for the ump to respond "If Mr. Williams didn’t swing at it, it wasn’t a strike."[1] [1] - https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/ted-williams/ https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/ted-williams/
saghm 6y ago
It's also worth noting that pitchers will sometimes purposely throw pitches outside the strike zone in an attempt to get the batter to swing and miss. This usually happens when the pitcher is already ahead in the count, but not always.
jrumbut 6y ago
Not swinging at balls outside the strike zone is a trivially good idea (unless you can hit them well), but difficult to execute. In the text he notes the importance of being within a ball's width, which requires some serious practice. What to practice and how is the focus of his writing about hitting.
- projektfu 6y ago
  Very difficult to execute because you have to get good at reading these pitches almost while they’re still in the arm of the pitcher, often starting your swing as they get released. A fastball is in the air for about 400ms or less before it crosses the plate.

OldHand2018 6y ago

"low and away" is a weak spot for almost any hitter. The challenge for a pitcher is to actually hit that spot. Ted Williams batted as a lefty. Most everything a right-handed pitcher throws has a tendency to trail leftward. A slight mistake and you've got something he will hit very hard.

slg 6y ago

The reasons are twofold. Like you mentioned a pitcher's aim isn't perfect. Also a batter isn't perfect at reading pitches. A pitch aimed at the bottom of the strike zone might miss accidentally. Or a pitch like a curveball can be aimed below the strike zone but it appears to the batter to be a strike only for it to drop and end up outside the zone. Not swinging at these seemingly borderline pitches results in a lot more pitches being called balls. Also pitches thrown in these tough to hit locations will often result in bad contact. Bad contact is generally worse than a strike. A ball that is weakly hit into play will almost always result in an out. A strike will only result in an out when there are already 2 strikes. Therefore swinging at fewer pitches means the batter sees more pitches and gets deeper into counts. The batter will therefore have more late counts in which they are ahead simply due to fewer at bats being ended prematurely.

pantaloony 6y ago
Notably, a bad hit can result in multiple outs.
mc32 6y ago
Also, more pitches increases the chances of a bad pitch )a hanger, etc) and if you create a reputation for having a good eye, umpires will give the hitter the benefit of doubt on borderline pitches (I have no idea how this works now that they have robots calling balls and strikes, but it’d be nice if they kept some of the inexactness that “engages” people more.
- slg 6y ago
  >I have no idea how this works now that they have robots calling balls and strikes They don't yet have robots calling the balls and strikes. In spring training this year they tested out a system to notify the umpires of the robotic balls and strike calls, but the umpire had the ability to overrule the automated system. That isn't used in the general season yet although many expect it is only a matter of time. Currently the umpires are graded on a regular basis compared to their performance versus a computerized system which has resulted in calls improving consistently over the last decade plus of baseball. However you are certainly right that this approach can compound in a lot of interesting ways including an ump giving the benefit of the doubt. There is a perhaps apocryphal of a catcher complaining about a call that Williams received only for the ump to respond "If Mr. Williams didn’t swing at it, it wasn’t a strike."[1] [1] - https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/ted-williams/ https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/ted-williams/

saghm 6y ago

It's also worth noting that pitchers will sometimes purposely throw pitches outside the strike zone in an attempt to get the batter to swing and miss. This usually happens when the pitcher is already ahead in the count, but not always.

jrumbut 6y ago

Not swinging at balls outside the strike zone is a trivially good idea (unless you can hit them well), but difficult to execute. In the text he notes the importance of being within a ball's width, which requires some serious practice. What to practice and how is the focus of his writing about hitting.

projektfu 6y ago
Very difficult to execute because you have to get good at reading these pitches almost while they’re still in the arm of the pitcher, often starting your swing as they get released. A fastball is in the air for about 400ms or less before it crosses the plate.