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I wonder if at some point we need to create legal requirements that all deepfakes have some kind of human-invisible (or visible?) fingerprint for identification

I wonder if at some point we need to create legal requirements that all deepfakes have some kind of human-invisible (or visible?) fingerprint for identification, restriction on frequency range, etc. We have crypto export restrictions, why not put handcuffs on this as well which has the potential for probably larger scale harm?

searchableguy 6y ago
That will only stop law abiding citizens from committing crime.
- azinman2 6y ago
  That’s a big start. If you look at Reddit, you’ll notice all these deepfake porns are using scripts/apps that people have packaged together. Those and any commercial variants can abide by such restrictions which will help document the fakeness once this goes mainstream. Only the super technical would be able to get around it, and if tutorials etc come out then you have legal grounds to go after it to minimize. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. This has potential to literally cause spilled blood, fraud, etc. Better to have it for some than for zero.
  - searchableguy 6y ago
    I don't agree with the solution unless we as a society stop putting trust on any digital media but at that point, this is not necessary. Many governments would love to use this tech so they have incentive to stop others from using it and still let people believe in digital evidence by putting half assed solution like the one you proposed. The cat is out of the bag. Digital media should not be trusted blindly.
    - azinman2 6y ago
      I don’t appreciate the condescension. It’s half assed in that I put a rough direction out there for conversation for a huge problem that will inevitably cause social problems. Your reply isn’t in line with HN guidelines and certainly doesn’t make me want to participate in conversation with you about important topics.
      - searchableguy 6y ago
        I am really sorry. I could have worded it better. I didn't meant to be condescending to you. My reaction was more to the government. Governments have a history of putting up solutions that work in their favor by selective enforcement and securing power to self. Encryption debate is one such example.
        azinman2 6y ago
        Thank you for saying that. If you have other solutions that you think could work it would be good to get them out there. Disinformation is a giant problem already just with social media alone. Now add in the ability to create false yet convincing AV evidence and the potential for large social harm explodes. It hasn’t become widespread just yet, so now is the time.
Avicebron 6y ago
Actually there might be a precedent with the Carrie Fisher from Star Wars. I believe they did use some form of virtualization after she passed..I don't know what the outcome was legally, but it definitely is in this realm.
- CyberDildonics 6y ago
  She would have signed contracts that permitted this or her estate could have let it happen after she died. It is likely the former, I don't think this situation is applicable at all. Even The Crow was finished with face replacements in the 90s.

searchableguy 6y ago

That will only stop law abiding citizens from committing crime.

azinman2 6y ago
That’s a big start. If you look at Reddit, you’ll notice all these deepfake porns are using scripts/apps that people have packaged together. Those and any commercial variants can abide by such restrictions which will help document the fakeness once this goes mainstream. Only the super technical would be able to get around it, and if tutorials etc come out then you have legal grounds to go after it to minimize. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. This has potential to literally cause spilled blood, fraud, etc. Better to have it for some than for zero.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  I don't agree with the solution unless we as a society stop putting trust on any digital media but at that point, this is not necessary. Many governments would love to use this tech so they have incentive to stop others from using it and still let people believe in digital evidence by putting half assed solution like the one you proposed. The cat is out of the bag. Digital media should not be trusted blindly.
  - azinman2 6y ago
    I don’t appreciate the condescension. It’s half assed in that I put a rough direction out there for conversation for a huge problem that will inevitably cause social problems. Your reply isn’t in line with HN guidelines and certainly doesn’t make me want to participate in conversation with you about important topics.
    - searchableguy 6y ago
      I am really sorry. I could have worded it better. I didn't meant to be condescending to you. My reaction was more to the government. Governments have a history of putting up solutions that work in their favor by selective enforcement and securing power to self. Encryption debate is one such example.
      - azinman2 6y ago
        Thank you for saying that. If you have other solutions that you think could work it would be good to get them out there. Disinformation is a giant problem already just with social media alone. Now add in the ability to create false yet convincing AV evidence and the potential for large social harm explodes. It hasn’t become widespread just yet, so now is the time.

Avicebron 6y ago

Actually there might be a precedent with the Carrie Fisher from Star Wars. I believe they did use some form of virtualization after she passed..I don't know what the outcome was legally, but it definitely is in this realm.

CyberDildonics 6y ago
She would have signed contracts that permitted this or her estate could have let it happen after she died. It is likely the former, I don't think this situation is applicable at all. Even The Crow was finished with face replacements in the 90s.