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People complained more about cars being quiet and they assume fairly hard of hearing and poor vision as a baseline essentially. I personally consider it somethi

People complained more about cars being quiet and they assume fairly hard of hearing and poor vision as a baseline essentially. I personally consider it something that sucks and would love them quieter while considering their current mandated state a justifiable lesser evil. Deliberately loudened motorcycles and sportcars because fools think louder is faster can go straight to hell though.

andrepd 6y ago
>Deliberately loudened motorcycles and sportcars because fools think louder is faster can go straight to hell though. I don't get it. Why can a shithead on a motorcycle get away with bothering hundreds of people by revving hard in the street? Why do they get away with higher noise ceilings than cars?
- rapind 6y ago
  Grab a megaphone with the siren sound effect and have some fun with them.
- MetalGuru 6y ago
  Seriously! The worst! The South Park episode that makes fun of this group is hilarious.
- Ntrails 6y ago
  Why are buskers allowed to bellow out whatever garbage They want through amplifiers which are just as loud and to me more obnoxious?
  - hiharryhere 6y ago
    Oh come on. That’s a ridiculous equivalency. Buskers aren’t constantly moving through residential neighborhoods at speed, disturbing hundreds in their homes. I’d be annoyed by a one man band with knee cymbals and a bass drum pacing up and down my cul-de-sac too.
    - jschwartzi 6y ago
      Yeah, especially as we get about 1 "loud pipes" guy every half hour throughout the day where I live, I'd love to have Mr. Loud Pipes be regulated into oblivion. It's so bad that I'll be sitting inside with my SO having a conversation and we'll pause whatever we're saying for Mr. Loud Pipes, then when he's gone we can start talking again.
    - Ntrails 6y ago
      They impact me _way_ more regularly than loud cars - so it is likely a regional thing. Every fucking day I go to work they're there destroying a pleasant walk with my own music. My point was that regulating noise is hard, because people have very different views on what is and isn't reasonable
- bradlys 6y ago
  Sounds like confirmation bias. I don’t know if there is a higher noise ceiling than cars. I’ve seen plenty of people in cars rev their engines. And it’s wildly common all over the USA... Civics with fart pipes, trucks rolling coal, v8s with a muffler delete, etc. Most motorcycles are built with an enthusiast in mind who wants a louder bike. Most cars aren’t build with enthusiasts in mind. I’d love to know why we’ve allowed delivery vehicles and buses (commercial vehicles) to have similar noise regulations. Since those vehicles are really only for utility, one would assume we’d regulate those into quietness at least...
  - MereInterest 6y ago
    I would have assumed the opposite. For delivery vehicles and buses, there is a much larger payload, so there is a higher burden in maintaining the same volume of engine. For a personal vehicle, there is little excuse for having a loud engine. Then again, my apartment is adjacent to a busy 4-lane road, and so my opinions may be colored by the motorcycles and sports cars that drive along it every Friday night.
- the_pwner224 6y ago
  Those guys are all using aftermarket exhausts which are not street legal, and sold as such. Why do they get away with it? Cops have a hard time catching them; there's a big subculture within motorcyclists of guys having loud pipes, doing stunts, not having license plates on, etc., and then running away when the cops come. Bikes are hard to catch and chasing them often gets banned by the cities because it often leads to bystanders getting injured. They also generally don't have catalytic converters so running those exhaust systems is just a dick move all around. Actually some of the aftermarket exhausts also come with db killers included to reduce sound levels, but those can be removed. So basically it's just back to assholes and lack of enforcement. Some stock bikes are a bit loud, but not that much louder than cars. With the exception of supersports, which only make significant power at 12-16k RPM near the top of the rev range, but even then you have a stock exhaust and won't be running the engine that hard on local streets. Unless you're an asshole.
  - vkou 6y ago
    > Those guys are all using aftermarket exhausts which are not street legal, and sold as such. So find who is selling them, and take away their business. It's what we do to drug dealers. The mechanics will give more of a damn about compliance with the law than their customers do. That won't stop the DIY-ers, but mitigation is five tenths of a solution.
    - extrapickles 6y ago
      The problem is that most of the regulations only cover vehicles used on public roadways (at least in the US). Most of these parts will say that they are for "off-road use only", which make it hard to go after the manufacturer or installer. We would need to change the laws to say that the requirements apply to any vehicle manufactured for use on public roadways. Some of the requirements need to be changed from just applying during design/manufacturing to at all times so the majority of the loopholes currently used can be closed.
      - the_pwner224 6y ago
        What makes it harder is that many of these exhaust systems are used off road only, on dedicated track bikes. You can get a street legal supersport bike for $10-15k new, and with bikes that powerful, changing from a street legal to performance optimized exhaust can make a significant difference. But these supersports are also often used on the streets, just like you see people driving Lamborghinis and Ferraris on the streets (but not often because fast cars are very expensive). Just another thing which makes legislation harder.
- fredophile 6y ago
  Probably the same way people get away with rolling coal. Just don't do it when the cops are around.
nickjj 6y ago
> I personally consider it something that sucks and would love them quieter while considering their current mandated state a justifiable lesser evil. I've been walking in suburban areas for 2-5 miles a day for the last 7 years or so. I really dislike super loud cars but I wouldn't want silent cars either. I typically don't walk with headphones so my situational awareness is at maximum levels. It's nice hearing a normally loud car if they happen to be behind you just for the extra awareness (even if you're walking against traffic which I do whenever I can). I've almost been hit 3 times from people going 40 mph straight through a 4-way stop sign in a 30 mph low traffic road, or just blatantly looking on their phone and peeling out from a stop sign while I'm in front of them. I had to jump out of the way once. I'll take all of the senses I can get!

andrepd 6y ago

>Deliberately loudened motorcycles and sportcars because fools think louder is faster can go straight to hell though. I don't get it. Why can a shithead on a motorcycle get away with bothering hundreds of people by revving hard in the street? Why do they get away with higher noise ceilings than cars?

rapind 6y ago
Grab a megaphone with the siren sound effect and have some fun with them.
MetalGuru 6y ago
Seriously! The worst! The South Park episode that makes fun of this group is hilarious.
Ntrails 6y ago
Why are buskers allowed to bellow out whatever garbage They want through amplifiers which are just as loud and to me more obnoxious?
- hiharryhere 6y ago
  Oh come on. That’s a ridiculous equivalency. Buskers aren’t constantly moving through residential neighborhoods at speed, disturbing hundreds in their homes. I’d be annoyed by a one man band with knee cymbals and a bass drum pacing up and down my cul-de-sac too.
  - jschwartzi 6y ago
    Yeah, especially as we get about 1 "loud pipes" guy every half hour throughout the day where I live, I'd love to have Mr. Loud Pipes be regulated into oblivion. It's so bad that I'll be sitting inside with my SO having a conversation and we'll pause whatever we're saying for Mr. Loud Pipes, then when he's gone we can start talking again.
  - Ntrails 6y ago
    They impact me _way_ more regularly than loud cars - so it is likely a regional thing. Every fucking day I go to work they're there destroying a pleasant walk with my own music. My point was that regulating noise is hard, because people have very different views on what is and isn't reasonable
bradlys 6y ago
Sounds like confirmation bias. I don’t know if there is a higher noise ceiling than cars. I’ve seen plenty of people in cars rev their engines. And it’s wildly common all over the USA... Civics with fart pipes, trucks rolling coal, v8s with a muffler delete, etc. Most motorcycles are built with an enthusiast in mind who wants a louder bike. Most cars aren’t build with enthusiasts in mind. I’d love to know why we’ve allowed delivery vehicles and buses (commercial vehicles) to have similar noise regulations. Since those vehicles are really only for utility, one would assume we’d regulate those into quietness at least...
- MereInterest 6y ago
  I would have assumed the opposite. For delivery vehicles and buses, there is a much larger payload, so there is a higher burden in maintaining the same volume of engine. For a personal vehicle, there is little excuse for having a loud engine. Then again, my apartment is adjacent to a busy 4-lane road, and so my opinions may be colored by the motorcycles and sports cars that drive along it every Friday night.
the_pwner224 6y ago
Those guys are all using aftermarket exhausts which are not street legal, and sold as such. Why do they get away with it? Cops have a hard time catching them; there's a big subculture within motorcyclists of guys having loud pipes, doing stunts, not having license plates on, etc., and then running away when the cops come. Bikes are hard to catch and chasing them often gets banned by the cities because it often leads to bystanders getting injured. They also generally don't have catalytic converters so running those exhaust systems is just a dick move all around. Actually some of the aftermarket exhausts also come with db killers included to reduce sound levels, but those can be removed. So basically it's just back to assholes and lack of enforcement. Some stock bikes are a bit loud, but not that much louder than cars. With the exception of supersports, which only make significant power at 12-16k RPM near the top of the rev range, but even then you have a stock exhaust and won't be running the engine that hard on local streets. Unless you're an asshole.
- vkou 6y ago
  > Those guys are all using aftermarket exhausts which are not street legal, and sold as such. So find who is selling them, and take away their business. It's what we do to drug dealers. The mechanics will give more of a damn about compliance with the law than their customers do. That won't stop the DIY-ers, but mitigation is five tenths of a solution.
  - extrapickles 6y ago
    The problem is that most of the regulations only cover vehicles used on public roadways (at least in the US). Most of these parts will say that they are for "off-road use only", which make it hard to go after the manufacturer or installer. We would need to change the laws to say that the requirements apply to any vehicle manufactured for use on public roadways. Some of the requirements need to be changed from just applying during design/manufacturing to at all times so the majority of the loopholes currently used can be closed.
    - the_pwner224 6y ago
      What makes it harder is that many of these exhaust systems are used off road only, on dedicated track bikes. You can get a street legal supersport bike for $10-15k new, and with bikes that powerful, changing from a street legal to performance optimized exhaust can make a significant difference. But these supersports are also often used on the streets, just like you see people driving Lamborghinis and Ferraris on the streets (but not often because fast cars are very expensive). Just another thing which makes legislation harder.
fredophile 6y ago
Probably the same way people get away with rolling coal. Just don't do it when the cops are around.

nickjj 6y ago

> I personally consider it something that sucks and would love them quieter while considering their current mandated state a justifiable lesser evil. I've been walking in suburban areas for 2-5 miles a day for the last 7 years or so. I really dislike super loud cars but I wouldn't want silent cars either. I typically don't walk with headphones so my situational awareness is at maximum levels. It's nice hearing a normally loud car if they happen to be behind you just for the extra awareness (even if you're walking against traffic which I do whenever I can). I've almost been hit 3 times from people going 40 mph straight through a 4-way stop sign in a 30 mph low traffic road, or just blatantly looking on their phone and peeling out from a stop sign while I'm in front of them. I had to jump out of the way once. I'll take all of the senses I can get!