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No mention of the delusional, years-long coverage of the Russian collusion hoax by mainstream media, and those videos have stayed up on YouTube and Facebook — I

No mention of the delusional, years-long coverage of the Russian collusion hoax by mainstream media, and those videos have stayed up on YouTube and Facebook — I suppose some “conspiracy theories” are more socially acceptable than others.

jbob2000 6y ago
There’s no hoax, we know that Russian operatives purchased ads across social media to influence the 2016 election. We know that members of Trump’s campaign party went to the Russians for dirt on Hillary Clinton. Missing a smoking gun does not mean that this was a hoax.
- adamiscool8 6y ago
  Generally when people insist something happened a certain way despite a massive investigation that concluded the opposite, we regard them as loony conspiracy theorists. In this case the investigation “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government” but because the conspiracy theorists at issue are MSM-sanctioned they can peddle their poisonous hoax of a colluding, treasonous public official to their hearts content.
- Simulacra 6y ago
  By that logic, could not any accusation have merit so long as enough "evidence" is produced to support it? For example, producing a false document on a political candidate, then using it to drum up media speculation, while pushing politicians to "do something" to the point where they have no choice but to buy in to the narrative, and accept the talking points and media speculation as truth. Gosh, I can't imagine anyone doing that! /sarcasm
happytoexplain 6y ago
>I suppose some “conspiracy theories” are more socially acceptable than others. Yes, of course. As another commenter pointed out, the existence of what (almost) everybody agrees is a "conspiracy theory" by the colloquial definition does not automatically delegitimize every theory about conspiracies.
drewrv 6y ago
> I suppose some “conspiracy theories” are more socially acceptable than others. I think if there's a massive amount of evidence, it becomes more socially acceptable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...
- adamiscool8 6y ago
  Like conspiracy theorists tend to do, this is a conflation of the fact that Russia, like all countries, engaged in active operations during the election focused on advancing their own interests, and the hoax suggestion that President Trump’s campaign coordinated and conspired in those activities.
golf3 6y ago
Don't forget "peaceful protests".
Simulacra 6y ago
One man's conspiracy theory is another man's truth. The Russian collusion hoax showed that even intelligent, rational individuals, can subscribe to - and elevate - an absolutely false narrative so long as it furthers a personal goal or ambition.
- andrenth 6y ago
  I think it has shown these individuals are not as intelligent or rational as they perceive themselves to be.

jbob2000 6y ago

There’s no hoax, we know that Russian operatives purchased ads across social media to influence the 2016 election. We know that members of Trump’s campaign party went to the Russians for dirt on Hillary Clinton. Missing a smoking gun does not mean that this was a hoax.

adamiscool8 6y ago
Generally when people insist something happened a certain way despite a massive investigation that concluded the opposite, we regard them as loony conspiracy theorists. In this case the investigation “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government” but because the conspiracy theorists at issue are MSM-sanctioned they can peddle their poisonous hoax of a colluding, treasonous public official to their hearts content.
Simulacra 6y ago
By that logic, could not any accusation have merit so long as enough "evidence" is produced to support it? For example, producing a false document on a political candidate, then using it to drum up media speculation, while pushing politicians to "do something" to the point where they have no choice but to buy in to the narrative, and accept the talking points and media speculation as truth. Gosh, I can't imagine anyone doing that! /sarcasm

happytoexplain 6y ago

>I suppose some “conspiracy theories” are more socially acceptable than others. Yes, of course. As another commenter pointed out, the existence of what (almost) everybody agrees is a "conspiracy theory" by the colloquial definition does not automatically delegitimize every theory about conspiracies.

drewrv 6y ago

> I suppose some “conspiracy theories” are more socially acceptable than others. I think if there's a massive amount of evidence, it becomes more socially acceptable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_20...

adamiscool8 6y ago
Like conspiracy theorists tend to do, this is a conflation of the fact that Russia, like all countries, engaged in active operations during the election focused on advancing their own interests, and the hoax suggestion that President Trump’s campaign coordinated and conspired in those activities.

golf3 6y ago

Don't forget "peaceful protests".

Simulacra 6y ago

One man's conspiracy theory is another man's truth. The Russian collusion hoax showed that even intelligent, rational individuals, can subscribe to - and elevate - an absolutely false narrative so long as it furthers a personal goal or ambition.

andrenth 6y ago
I think it has shown these individuals are not as intelligent or rational as they perceive themselves to be.