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From your comment I get the feeling that you think Java/Python/C++ is something obscure legacy tech along the lines of Basic/Cobol.

meddlepal 6y ago
Makes me wonder how old previous commenter is too if they have that view. Ageism is rampant in this industry.
- stevehawk 6y ago
  It’s actually some what ironic considering how much SV pushes for diversity and inclusion.. unless you’re over 40.
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  - robbyking 6y ago
    I'm 42, and until recently worked for a well known tech company in San Francisco. Most of the time I didn't feel like I was the only person over 30 in the room, but after moving to another city and starting to work on a truly age-diverse did I realize how unbalanced my previous team was. My current team has a good mix of industry experience and excitement for new technologies, which makes planning both effective and exciting.
    - meddlepal 6y ago
      Part of the problem is that SF is just so damn expensive... it's going to self-select for people that can afford to live without the additional burden of a family and that tends to be people <30.
  - vkou 6y ago
    Some parts of SV push for diversity and inclusion, but when push comes to shove, firms are quite happy to protect established power structures - shitty managers, retaliatory practices, toxic culture, etc.
np_tedious 6y ago
Seems to me they place them (IMO appropriately) somewhere between legacy and trendy.
- detaro 6y ago
  1) was "keeping up with their skills", not "trendy". "Keeping up with your skills" does not mean "know JS/ML/k8s" for a wide range of developers.
stevehawk 6y ago
It also implies that machine learning and devops is a norm for software development
- robbyking 6y ago
  Which is typically a symptom of having worked at a start-up vs. an established company. During the dot-com crash, I went from working at a 40 person start-up to a 25,000 employee utility company, and it was a real eye opener. A lot of my "cutting edge" (for the time) skills were dismissed as being flash in the pan, and all the "real work" was done with tried and trued technologies. I ended up finding my way back to a start-up a few years later, and everything was reversed again.
- smsm42 6y ago
  That says "startup". ML is the buzzword that investors love, and k8s/devops allows avoiding big investment into infrastructure which may need to be dropped anyway when it turns out the market doesn't actually want yet another "apply ML to click stream to save on ads costs" startup (I'm stereotyping of course but you get the idea).
x87678r 6y ago
No, I am one of the people I just described. I dont know where I fit in with the OP. I'm struggling to keep up with the avalanche of new stuff coming along.

meddlepal 6y ago

Makes me wonder how old previous commenter is too if they have that view. Ageism is rampant in this industry.

stevehawk 6y ago
It’s actually some what ironic considering how much SV pushes for diversity and inclusion.. unless you’re over 40.
- deleted 6y ago
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- robbyking 6y ago
  I'm 42, and until recently worked for a well known tech company in San Francisco. Most of the time I didn't feel like I was the only person over 30 in the room, but after moving to another city and starting to work on a truly age-diverse did I realize how unbalanced my previous team was. My current team has a good mix of industry experience and excitement for new technologies, which makes planning both effective and exciting.
  - meddlepal 6y ago
    Part of the problem is that SF is just so damn expensive... it's going to self-select for people that can afford to live without the additional burden of a family and that tends to be people <30.
- vkou 6y ago
  Some parts of SV push for diversity and inclusion, but when push comes to shove, firms are quite happy to protect established power structures - shitty managers, retaliatory practices, toxic culture, etc.

np_tedious 6y ago

Seems to me they place them (IMO appropriately) somewhere between legacy and trendy.

detaro 6y ago
1) was "keeping up with their skills", not "trendy". "Keeping up with your skills" does not mean "know JS/ML/k8s" for a wide range of developers.

stevehawk 6y ago

It also implies that machine learning and devops is a norm for software development

robbyking 6y ago
Which is typically a symptom of having worked at a start-up vs. an established company. During the dot-com crash, I went from working at a 40 person start-up to a 25,000 employee utility company, and it was a real eye opener. A lot of my "cutting edge" (for the time) skills were dismissed as being flash in the pan, and all the "real work" was done with tried and trued technologies. I ended up finding my way back to a start-up a few years later, and everything was reversed again.
smsm42 6y ago
That says "startup". ML is the buzzword that investors love, and k8s/devops allows avoiding big investment into infrastructure which may need to be dropped anyway when it turns out the market doesn't actually want yet another "apply ML to click stream to save on ads costs" startup (I'm stereotyping of course but you get the idea).

x87678r 6y ago

No, I am one of the people I just described. I dont know where I fit in with the OP. I'm struggling to keep up with the avalanche of new stuff coming along.