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If everyone's moving to remote working. Do you believe this will push for dumping wages as well? I don't mean moving jobs to India, but rather recruit remote wo

If everyone's moving to remote working. Do you believe this will push for dumping wages as well? I don't mean moving jobs to India, but rather recruit remote workers in relative low-income areas of the US? Not discrediting the amount of skills available on the US East coast but why wouldn't FAANG try to source new remote employees elsewhere in the US?

save_ferris 6y ago
Some employers will probably try, but since I've moved to a lower-income area of the US, I've noticed that there aren't a ton of other developers in my community, especially with 5+ yrs experience. I think location will factor more into salary discussions moving foward, but it's not like there are a ton of software devs in South Dakota ready to take the jobs of the SV folks.
- Loughla 6y ago
  >it's not like there are a ton of software devs in South Dakota ready to take the jobs of the SV folks. Yet. That's the point. They're in places like SV, because they're required to be, right now. If remote work really takes hold, and folks can move to places like South Dakota, I bet that changes. That's the entire point. Right now there aren't folks out there, but there will be in the next 1-3 years, I imagine.
  - jakemal 6y ago
    Also, South Dakota is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from SV. Today, there is a sizeable population of talented developers living in the suburbs of major cities with a COL of a third or less than the Bay area.
  - neonate 6y ago
    If this became a big enough trend, I wonder if it could lead to a revitalization of rural America.
    - Loughla 6y ago
      I mean, the nearest town to me (pop.<600) has fiber internet. Many rural/small towns have local co-ops that no one talks about who are offering fiber. What else would you need?
      - charwalker 6y ago
        Personally, a fairly liberal set of laws in place to maintain my current set of rights and options let alone those for my female partner. I won't be moving to a state that insists in conservative social policies like banning abortion and cutting education or basic infrastructure under the guise of lowering taxes. I like living in a functional democracy, at as a state, and happy to pay taxes for things like better schools and roads.
        Loughla 6y ago
        That's actually one thing I really like about living in a Northern Rural area. The rural attitude of 'live and let live' and 'leave me the fuck alone' carries over to relationships and home life. Nobody really cares about my relationship with my partner, as long as I'm willing to leave them the fuck alone. I say 'northern' rural area, just because I've never lived in a rural area in the south of the US.
        charwalker 6y ago
        I don't have anything against that or moving to a location that meets your values. It's more that I'd prefer to support schools and social programs, and have those open to me as best as possible, than get away from it all. I've been in a spot where if it wasn't for the ACA I'd be dead (specifically extension of parents insurance until child is 26) and if I didn't have strong local schools growing up I probably wouldn't have gone far. We do better when we work together and pool resources for all, including the next generation. It's hard for me to be a part of that by moving somewhere rural. And I can't bring myself to move to a red state unless it's flipping purple and willing to basically pull a Virginia. The social rights differences between colors is serious and unfortunate.
- smnrchrds 6y ago
  >it's not like there are a ton of software devs in South Dakota ready to take the jobs of the SV folks. There are tons of software developers in Canada though.
miguelmota 6y ago
Wages typically match the market rate salaries of the employees location so it's expected that remote workers wages will be lower. Many employers are not offering promotions and bonuses now because of the coronavirus uncertainty. I do think companies will try to recruit employees from anywhere now instead of local or domestic since theres no office to go into now.

save_ferris 6y ago

Some employers will probably try, but since I've moved to a lower-income area of the US, I've noticed that there aren't a ton of other developers in my community, especially with 5+ yrs experience. I think location will factor more into salary discussions moving foward, but it's not like there are a ton of software devs in South Dakota ready to take the jobs of the SV folks.

Loughla 6y ago
>it's not like there are a ton of software devs in South Dakota ready to take the jobs of the SV folks. Yet. That's the point. They're in places like SV, because they're required to be, right now. If remote work really takes hold, and folks can move to places like South Dakota, I bet that changes. That's the entire point. Right now there aren't folks out there, but there will be in the next 1-3 years, I imagine.
- jakemal 6y ago
  Also, South Dakota is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from SV. Today, there is a sizeable population of talented developers living in the suburbs of major cities with a COL of a third or less than the Bay area.
- neonate 6y ago
  If this became a big enough trend, I wonder if it could lead to a revitalization of rural America.
  - Loughla 6y ago
    I mean, the nearest town to me (pop.<600) has fiber internet. Many rural/small towns have local co-ops that no one talks about who are offering fiber. What else would you need?
    - charwalker 6y ago
      Personally, a fairly liberal set of laws in place to maintain my current set of rights and options let alone those for my female partner. I won't be moving to a state that insists in conservative social policies like banning abortion and cutting education or basic infrastructure under the guise of lowering taxes. I like living in a functional democracy, at as a state, and happy to pay taxes for things like better schools and roads.
      - Loughla 6y ago
        That's actually one thing I really like about living in a Northern Rural area. The rural attitude of 'live and let live' and 'leave me the fuck alone' carries over to relationships and home life. Nobody really cares about my relationship with my partner, as long as I'm willing to leave them the fuck alone. I say 'northern' rural area, just because I've never lived in a rural area in the south of the US.
        charwalker 6y ago
        I don't have anything against that or moving to a location that meets your values. It's more that I'd prefer to support schools and social programs, and have those open to me as best as possible, than get away from it all. I've been in a spot where if it wasn't for the ACA I'd be dead (specifically extension of parents insurance until child is 26) and if I didn't have strong local schools growing up I probably wouldn't have gone far. We do better when we work together and pool resources for all, including the next generation. It's hard for me to be a part of that by moving somewhere rural. And I can't bring myself to move to a red state unless it's flipping purple and willing to basically pull a Virginia. The social rights differences between colors is serious and unfortunate.
smnrchrds 6y ago
>it's not like there are a ton of software devs in South Dakota ready to take the jobs of the SV folks. There are tons of software developers in Canada though.

miguelmota 6y ago

Wages typically match the market rate salaries of the employees location so it's expected that remote workers wages will be lower. Many employers are not offering promotions and bonuses now because of the coronavirus uncertainty. I do think companies will try to recruit employees from anywhere now instead of local or domestic since theres no office to go into now.