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Israel is an extension of American interests in the Middle East, an esteemed member of the empire. Palestine is, among other things, used as a test lab for riot

Israel is an extension of American interests in the Middle East, an esteemed member of the empire. Palestine is, among other things, used as a test lab for riot control tactics & equipment [0]. Maybe you're from the UK where it's become fashionable to cast anything but glowing reviews of Israel as antisemitism, but others can see clearly what's happening there with eyes unclouded by hate. [0] https://www.wrmea.org/013-september/the-lab-israel-tests-weapons-tactics-on-captive-palestinian-population.html https://www.wrmea.org/013-september/the-lab-israel-tests-wea...

varjag 6y ago
Unjust things in apartheid Israel have little bearing to U.S. domestic issues. The article you cited above is an attempt to hijack BLM and make it about the Jews rather than authentic grassroots American policing methods. From your FA: These incidents nearly doubled in the state, up 77 percent between 2017 to 2018. By May 2018, Georgia was already reportedly experiencing a more rapid rise in officer-involved shootings than the rest of the country. Like, what other change could possibly happen in 2017 America? Nah, it sure must be the Jews again, right?
- ahelwer 6y ago
  You acknowledge the state of apartheid in Israel, so why is it mysterious to you that people might have reasons for being against Israel other than it being a Jewish state?
  - varjag 6y ago
    Bringing up Israel in causes that have nothing to do with Israel politics is antisemitism. The way your question is formulated suggests you think it's OK to toss Israel to any discourse unrelated to Palestinian cause, and is highly problematic. Every time there is a broad popular movement, all kind of people come out of the woods and try to freeride their sometimes less than noble cause on that. Certainly the cause with BLM: you see people making it about socialism, "anti-imperialism", and of course the good old fallback of anti-semitism.
    - ahelwer 6y ago
      You can draw a direct line between: (1) Israel's status as a member of the US empire and its interests in the middle east (2) Testing & development of weapons & tactics against the Palestinian population by Israel (3) Training provided by Israel to American police forces, plus export of equipment to same (4) Use of those weapons & tactics by American police forces on the domestic populace This is probably the most pure & distilled example of what TFA is talking about. Bringing it up is in no way anti-Semitic or apropos of nothing.
      - varjag 6y ago
        Again, Georgia is one of the most racist places in the US, and any external cultural influence on its police force is basically irrelevant, no matter how desperate you are to make it about the Jews^WZionists.
    - istjohn 6y ago
      > Bringing up Israel in causes that have nothing to do with Israel politics is antisemitism. Israel was invoked in a discussion of how American foreign policy colors domestic affairs. When a foreign ally is training our domestic police on tactics they have developed to enforce a racial apartheid, what could be more germain?
      - varjag 6y ago
        American police forces have training exchange programmes with multiple national police forces. Yet you'd never hear that say Mexico police is responsible for Georgia police brutality. Not germain enough I guess.

varjag 6y ago

Unjust things in apartheid Israel have little bearing to U.S. domestic issues. The article you cited above is an attempt to hijack BLM and make it about the Jews rather than authentic grassroots American policing methods. From your FA: These incidents nearly doubled in the state, up 77 percent between 2017 to 2018. By May 2018, Georgia was already reportedly experiencing a more rapid rise in officer-involved shootings than the rest of the country. Like, what other change could possibly happen in 2017 America? Nah, it sure must be the Jews again, right?

ahelwer 6y ago
You acknowledge the state of apartheid in Israel, so why is it mysterious to you that people might have reasons for being against Israel other than it being a Jewish state?
- varjag 6y ago
  Bringing up Israel in causes that have nothing to do with Israel politics is antisemitism. The way your question is formulated suggests you think it's OK to toss Israel to any discourse unrelated to Palestinian cause, and is highly problematic. Every time there is a broad popular movement, all kind of people come out of the woods and try to freeride their sometimes less than noble cause on that. Certainly the cause with BLM: you see people making it about socialism, "anti-imperialism", and of course the good old fallback of anti-semitism.
  - ahelwer 6y ago
    You can draw a direct line between: (1) Israel's status as a member of the US empire and its interests in the middle east (2) Testing & development of weapons & tactics against the Palestinian population by Israel (3) Training provided by Israel to American police forces, plus export of equipment to same (4) Use of those weapons & tactics by American police forces on the domestic populace This is probably the most pure & distilled example of what TFA is talking about. Bringing it up is in no way anti-Semitic or apropos of nothing.
    - varjag 6y ago
      Again, Georgia is one of the most racist places in the US, and any external cultural influence on its police force is basically irrelevant, no matter how desperate you are to make it about the Jews^WZionists.
  - istjohn 6y ago
    > Bringing up Israel in causes that have nothing to do with Israel politics is antisemitism. Israel was invoked in a discussion of how American foreign policy colors domestic affairs. When a foreign ally is training our domestic police on tactics they have developed to enforce a racial apartheid, what could be more germain?
    - varjag 6y ago
      American police forces have training exchange programmes with multiple national police forces. Yet you'd never hear that say Mexico police is responsible for Georgia police brutality. Not germain enough I guess.