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"people put their life and health at risk for the merriment of the couch potatoes" This is not true. People would do it anyway, it's just that the couch potato

by roel_v 6y ago

"people put their life and health at risk for the merriment of the couch potatoes" This is not true. People would do it anyway, it's just that the couch potatoes now provide a way for the people doing it to actually get paid. You cannot be an athlete with your only motivation being 'it'll amuse others'. You need some sort of intrinsic motivation to get at least somewhat good at something. People would fight for fun before the UFC, long before they got paid for it. Same with any other 'extreme' sport. One can argue that the couch potatoes now enable these people to do their activities a lot more, or in more intense ways, but that's a different argument all together imo.

stareatgoats 6y ago
> This is not true Of course it is not true in an absolute sense, but take away the entertainment business from these risky sports and you'd be left with a mere trickle of people who do it merely for the kicks. I'm obviously a lone voice in the desert, but I'm fed up with the show of "what a tragedy" and "thoughts and prayers" every time yet another young life gets squashed because a substantial segment of the populace will pay to have a dose of adrenaline through the death defying acts of daring of others, or have their unprocessed and suppressed aggression vented by proxy. Needs that are nurtured by the industry, with hardly any opposition (nowadays).
- roel_v 6y ago
  I disagree. What sports are we talking about here? The sledding in the OP? Who goes into sledding thinking "whelp I can choose between flipping burgers and sledding, guess I'll go sledding"? I expect exactly 0. This sort of niche sports is all people who are into it a bit or a lot, find out they have a talent for it, and then work their asses off (usually against the odds) to become a professional. These are people who will feel mistreated if their chance of doing what they love and get paid for it is taken away from them, exactly 0 of them will say "thanks for saving my brain there". Someone like that wouldn't get into these sports in the first place. I know nothing about sledding, but I do know about fighting. I can tell you that the people who fight for a living would do it for free or cost reimbursement too, because that's what they've been doing for years before you got paid real money to fight. When I started training there were a few world class fighters who could live off their fighting career, and there were 10x as many who tried and didn't make it and fought anyway; and then there were 100x as many still who knew from the start they didn't make any chance of being a pro fighter and still trained multiple times a week and fought competition a few times a year, for 'prize money' that didn't even cover the cost of the gloves they were wearing. Any 'needs' of the audience you're talking about is completely orthogonal to the motivation of people doing risky things.

by roel_v 6y ago

stareatgoats 6y ago

> This is not true Of course it is not true in an absolute sense, but take away the entertainment business from these risky sports and you'd be left with a mere trickle of people who do it merely for the kicks. I'm obviously a lone voice in the desert, but I'm fed up with the show of "what a tragedy" and "thoughts and prayers" every time yet another young life gets squashed because a substantial segment of the populace will pay to have a dose of adrenaline through the death defying acts of daring of others, or have their unprocessed and suppressed aggression vented by proxy. Needs that are nurtured by the industry, with hardly any opposition (nowadays).

roel_v 6y ago
I disagree. What sports are we talking about here? The sledding in the OP? Who goes into sledding thinking "whelp I can choose between flipping burgers and sledding, guess I'll go sledding"? I expect exactly 0. This sort of niche sports is all people who are into it a bit or a lot, find out they have a talent for it, and then work their asses off (usually against the odds) to become a professional. These are people who will feel mistreated if their chance of doing what they love and get paid for it is taken away from them, exactly 0 of them will say "thanks for saving my brain there". Someone like that wouldn't get into these sports in the first place. I know nothing about sledding, but I do know about fighting. I can tell you that the people who fight for a living would do it for free or cost reimbursement too, because that's what they've been doing for years before you got paid real money to fight. When I started training there were a few world class fighters who could live off their fighting career, and there were 10x as many who tried and didn't make it and fought anyway; and then there were 100x as many still who knew from the start they didn't make any chance of being a pro fighter and still trained multiple times a week and fought competition a few times a year, for 'prize money' that didn't even cover the cost of the gloves they were wearing. Any 'needs' of the audience you're talking about is completely orthogonal to the motivation of people doing risky things.