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What do you mean? Are those the names of those disputed islands in the South China Sea? Are you implying this is Chinese propaganda? If the above is true then i
by trianglem 6y ago
What do you mean? Are those the names of those disputed islands in the South China Sea? Are you implying this is Chinese propaganda? If the above is true then it certainly looks like it.
- FooBarWidget 6y agoWhy would a mention of what may be Spratly islands (its interpretation is not even certain) in the works, be propaganda? Do you mean to say that it is 100% impossible they may have encountered it during their journeys, and that the mention is a completely fabricated lie?
- jacobush 6y agoIt can be part of propaganda without it being untrue. Propaganda is about making a case for your cause.
- FooBarWidget 6y agoI have a hard time accepting this definition of propaganda. Doesn't the word generally have a negative connotation, i.e. the implication that all things labeled propaganda should be dismissed? Truth should not be dismissed, although it must be evaluated in context and in combination with other truths.
- eru 6y agoPropaganda is more subtle than that. Good propaganda uses lots of truth, and definitely avoids false things as much as possible. (I make a distinction between true and not false, in the sense that eg '1 + 1 = 2' is true, 'the moon is made of cheese is false', but 'the US is a great nation' is not false.)
- FooBarWidget 6y agoThat's why I said 'it must be evaluated in context and in combination with other truths'. I am confused about what the original poster and the first replyer are trying to say. Are they putting some sort of value judgement on the existance of the information? Are they saying, "it does not matter how much evidence exists indicating that the Chinese may have discovered Spratly Islands long time ago, because the conclusion is still that China has no rights to the Spratly islands, and therefore all true facts about this subject should be dismissed out of hand"?
- jacobush 6y agoOr “beware of these facts being used to push some political agenda“. I wonder too what the first 2 posters meant.
- skrebbel 6y agoAfrica is also on the map and that doesn't give China a claim over parts of Africa either. I don't think anybody thinks that a place being on a map means the country where the map maker is from gets to control that place.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 6y agoOh yes they do... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liancourt_Rocks_dispute
- 082349872349872 6y ago> "North Korean authorities were less keen on emphasizing the principle of effective possession (a keystone of the South Korean standpoint), for this would have recognized the Republic of Korea as a legitimate state entity." For reference, according to https://dprktoday.com/assets/img/top-bg4.png https://dprktoday.com/assets/img/top-bg4.png korean unification (modulo some minor bothersome separatists somewhere out in the provinces) is already a thing. I think Alexander the Great was probably in a more descriptive than prescriptive mood when he was asked upon his deathbed who would inherit his empire. His reply: "the strongest". (if conflicts are never ended there are no treaties documenting known agreements between conflicting parties. cough cyprus cough)
- peteretep 6y ago> I don't think anybody thinks that a place being on a map means the country where the map maker is from gets to control that place. That is literally what the Nine Dash Line is about
- peteretep 6y ago> Are those the names of those disputed islands in the South China Sea Yes